ticking from engine, not rod bearings.

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AREA 91 said:
That last statememt would lead me to check the timing belt tensioner.

Timing belt or timing chain? and if you are talking about the timing belt, what am i looking for?
 

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Timing belt tensioner the piece that holds the idler pulley tight against the belt can come loose or go bad.
 

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If its a timing chain tensioner.. when my front one went out, I could see where it was hitting the underside of the valve cover, as there was only one small spot with a little wear. (it was all uniformally dirty except for that one spot.) With the cover off, you should be able to see, and if the chain is rubbing it would be a little shiner than the rest of the chain.
 

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Timing belt tensioner the piece that holds the idler pulley tight against the belt can come loose or go bad.


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customperforman said:
Timing belt tensioner the piece that holds the idler pulley tight against the belt can come loose or go bad.

the noise im hearing is louder than i could ever imagine a belt tensioner making. i described it as a ticking but i guess i should have used the word banging or knocking.

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If its a timing chain tensioner.. when my front one went out, I could see where it was hitting the underside of the valve cover, as there was only one small spot with a little wear. (it was all uniformally dirty except for that one spot.) With the cover off, you should be able to see, and if the chain is rubbing it would be a little shiner than the rest of the chain.

i think thats what im going to have to do. sounds like a project for next weekend. so just take off the intake and the valve cover and your saying there were wear marks on the inside of the cover? if it is the tensioner, where can i find a new one?
 

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Well I just had to find a set for mine the other day, becaues my rear one was out. THere are a few people here on the forums that have them, or RCM I know has a few sets for pretty cheap. But as far as a new one.. they are discontinued from Ford, have been for a while now.

And yea, the wear marks were inside the 'big ****' on mine, also another thing, and someone else will have to back me up on this. But the way they spin in there, a bad timing BELT, being a little loose for whatever reason, if it slips just enough to where there is a split second of 'slack' in the chains could probally cause it too. Not too sure on this, just something that looks mechanically possible.

Did you re-tighten your timing BELT tensioner after it ran for a while? I know I had to mess with mine once or twice after it ran to get it nice and tight. But then again, if the belt tensioner is a little loose and causing slack or whatever, I would think the sound of the motor would be off a little, have you noticed any of that?
 

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Eric VerValin said:
Well I just had to find a set for mine the other day, becaues my rear one was out. THere are a few people here on the forums that have them, or RCM I know has a few sets for pretty cheap. But as far as a new one.. they are discontinued from Ford, have been for a while now.

And yea, the wear marks were inside the 'big ****' on mine, also another thing, and someone else will have to back me up on this. But the way they spin in there, a bad timing BELT, being a little loose for whatever reason, if it slips just enough to where there is a split second of 'slack' in the chains could probally cause it too. Not too sure on this, just something that looks mechanically possible.

Did you re-tighten your timing BELT tensioner after it ran for a while? I know I had to mess with mine once or twice after it ran to get it nice and tight. But then again, if the belt tensioner is a little loose and causing slack or whatever, I would think the sound of the motor would be off a little, have you noticed any of that?

The engine sounds absolutly normal except the ticking/banging/knocking. it started ticking after a high speed run. do you think it could really just be a loose belt tensioner?
 

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well when you say banging / knocking.. lol it kinda makes me thing otherwise. But really, Im not the pro here.. I'll let the others chip in a bit. I mean if you can see that the belt is tight then I wouldnt think so, and would look closer on the other end. Just take your time taking it apart, and it should be pretty obvious where its at.

Did you plastiguage your rod bearings when you did them? I noticed when my bearings were ticking, that is exactally where it sounded like it was coming from too. At least your in florida tho, where its not cold outside. :) Its supposed to get up to 45 this weekend!! woo hoo.. im gettin my shorts out, and working on mine.. hopefully I'll have my front suspension together, and the motor back in.. well that is if I get my rack out first.. lol :)
 

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Eric VerValin said:
well when you say banging / knocking.. lol it kinda makes me thing otherwise. But really, Im not the pro here.. I'll let the others chip in a bit. I mean if you can see that the belt is tight then I wouldnt think so, and would look closer on the other end. Just take your time taking it apart, and it should be pretty obvious where its at.

Did you plastiguage your rod bearings when you did them? I noticed when my bearings were ticking, that is exactally where it sounded like it was coming from too. At least your in florida tho, where its not cold outside. :) Its supposed to get up to 45 this weekend!! woo hoo.. im gettin my shorts out, and working on mine.. hopefully I'll have my front suspension together, and the motor back in.. well that is if I get my rack out first.. lol :)

i did not plastigauge the rod bearings mainly because i didnt know how to. all the bearings looked fine except for one. i think one was on the verge of spinning but i think i caught it just in time. i cleaned and checked the crank and there were no scratches at all and it was smooth to the touch, although the bearing didnt look so pretty. im pretty confident its not the bearings though.
 

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did everyone give up? please. i really dont want to get rid of my sho but if i cant find the problem, im gonna have to sell it.
 

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One round trip ticket to FL and I'll tell you for sure.

Perhaps it's time to get creative and record the sound. PM me if you need help. You may need to borrow a cam corder.
 

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alright new development: the car now smokes lightly from what looks like the front exhaust manifold or the general area. does this mean anything to anyone. and also, as i drove the car a little longer, the noise got louder and there were a couple new noises. i will no longer drive this car until i knows whats wrong.
 

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holy shit, well it's definitly not a injector, man, i don't blame you for not wanting to drive it, but u know what, it might be something really simple, don't give up, someone on here will have herd that and know what that noise is, there are some pretty knowledable people on here, good luck brother.
 

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pull the valve covers.....

EDIT: now im not sure... :nut: did you say that you checked the timing BELT tensioner yet?
 
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alright ill check the belt tentioner. i dont see how on earth that could be the problem but ill take your advice and check it. am i just looking for looseness of the belt or do i need to take the tensioner off and check the bearing in it?
 

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Make sure the timing belt is tight and the tensioner is not loose, it might not hurt to pull it off and check the bearing in it either on the idler part of it.
 

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