SHO motor project, new to SHO motor.
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Off Road SHO
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I hereby move that we have the next AZ SHO Club get together at your place. All those in favor say Aye. The Ayes have it, motion passed. Let us know when's a good time and day.
Tom
jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
Has anyone ever carb'd a SHO motor before? I've never seen it done and frankly, I think it's pure sex.
I know you lose the magic intake tuning, but I still love the juxtaposition of old and new like that, and the coolness of taking a motor that was designed from the ground up to be EFI and slapping a plenum and carb on top and calling it a day.
It's a "backyard engineering" masterpiece, in my opinion. Nice "cam sensor".
I know you lose the magic intake tuning, but I still love the juxtaposition of old and new like that, and the coolness of taking a motor that was designed from the ground up to be EFI and slapping a plenum and carb on top and calling it a day.
It's a "backyard engineering" masterpiece, in my opinion. Nice "cam sensor".
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Lol
TY for the assist on the pics...
I was thinking of putting a Ronald Reagan Bobble head on the end of the cam so He spins around when the engine runs....
I have a Megajolt box to run the ignition and use the stock coils. The rear water manifold and interior water transfer tube are gone and my thermostat is in the top hose at front.
I could write a book about all that has happened to the engine...
TY for the assist on the pics...
I was thinking of putting a Ronald Reagan Bobble head on the end of the cam so He spins around when the engine runs....
I have a Megajolt box to run the ignition and use the stock coils. The rear water manifold and interior water transfer tube are gone and my thermostat is in the top hose at front.
I could write a book about all that has happened to the engine...
jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
No problem, it's a common mistake.
I thought I saw a stock SHO coil pack back there; that's really awesome.
I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I'd like to read that book.
However, since I sense this thread is quickly going off-topic (remember Zach's SN-95 Mustang project?
), you may want to create a new thread for this monster.Sorry Zach, I am really interested in your project.
I also put one in a fox bodied mustang. It required a little trimming on the rear edge of the K-member to shift the motor forwards and clear the firewall.
Cut and plug the top hydraulic tube on the steering rack to move it lower/redrill/reweld,to make motor clear the hood.
Put the coil pack at right/front corner for throttle linkage clearance.
Cut and move the top air box upwards (The area under windshield).
Cut and move the firewall to the rear by boxing it.
remove the heater assy. completely.
LOL, Not an easy fit.
I also put one in a fox bodied mustang. It required a little trimming on the rear edge of the K-member to shift the motor forwards and clear the firewall.
Cut and plug the top hydraulic tube on the steering rack to move it lower/redrill/reweld,to make motor clear the hood.
Put the coil pack at right/front corner for throttle linkage clearance.
Cut and move the top air box upwards (The area under windshield).
Cut and move the firewall to the rear by boxing it.
remove the heater assy. completely.
LOL, Not an easy fit.
SHOmethewayhome
BAD ROLE MODEL
wtf? where have you been hiding?
carb+SHO motor+your 30 speedster=profit!
carb+SHO motor+your 30 speedster=profit!
Off Road SHO
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jonheese
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Oh yeah... I do remember that guy from a year or two ago on here... I don't know why, but I find that really cool.
Dont yell at me, PLease....Im into the retro look, so....no injection.
The aformentioned bellhousing...
An early construction shot.
Needs more Cow-bell wait.. I meant carbs, like 6 of them...
My bad, this is the one I was thinking of...
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=88292
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=88292
Woo, sorry. It's been a long summer for me. I have a huge project going on related to the fate of the space shuttle and it's taking nearly all of my time. My motor has just been sitting in a sealed bag on an engine stand for months.
Chad at Canfield Industries has 20 adapter plates for 3.0L to 5.0L and I've got my eye on one. Until it comes in, I don't think I'll have too much to comment on other than "the fun part" where I have to figure out how to mount the motor and magically create an oil pan that will fit.
-me
Chad at Canfield Industries has 20 adapter plates for 3.0L to 5.0L and I've got my eye on one. Until it comes in, I don't think I'll have too much to comment on other than "the fun part" where I have to figure out how to mount the motor and magically create an oil pan that will fit.
-me
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Dont yell at me, PLease....Im into the retro look, so....no injection.
The aformentioned bellhousing...
An early construction shot.
gotta say i really like the setup nice work...
"Given the rough condition of the track this year, the car's suspension is critical. The front end is a Formula Atlantic independent suspension with 2 in. of travel, while the rear suspension is a solid axle configured like a NASCAR Southwest Series touring car, with a straight axle and coil-over shocks. The powerplant, a reworked 3-liter, 24-valve V6 SHO Taurus, redlines at 10,000 rpm, generating 500 hp. Because there are few after-market parts for the engine, the pistons, camshafts and valve springs are all custom-made. For maximum performance, the engine was rebored to 3-9/16 in., with a shortened stroke of 3 in., and fitted with Crower crankshaft and rods, JE pistons and a Jericho four-speed, stock-car transmission with an overdrive. "
i hope someone sees this next time they say the SHO engine cant make more then 300 hp without f/i
jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
Uhhh... With the amount of money spent to overbore and understroke that motor, not to mention make it reliable to 10k RPM (hulkish valve springs?), he probably could've been 3 turbo SHOs.
kevinspann
Don't take my advice.
It's not that it can't, it's that you can't expect and intake and exhaust to give you all of the power.
I mean, sure, if you spend $20,000 (or however much, that's an arbitrary figure) you can have a high powered SHO engine too, but it won't be usable in a Taurus.
Shoaz
Studly dood
Given the list of mods, e.g., the complete replacement of all the internals, all of the intake, and much of the valvetrain I don't think that really even qualifies as a SHO motor any more. The block and the basic heads are pretty much all that's left.
When you get up over 150hp per liter N/A you're in rarefied air. There are only a handful of production car motors that reach that and most of them are in supercars. I think the Caparo T1 is something like 157hp/L and that's a million+ per copy.
It's not that high HP is unachievable with the SHO motor, the platform is great. But to make 500hp N/A you have to spin the engine up to 10k and that means the torque curve peak is up there too. Good luck trying to drive it at anything less than fast.
I'd imagine that the heads on that motor are utterly hogged out. Does it have hillborn FI or individual carbs? I can't see how a 10k motor could even hope to develop enough vacuum at idle to run a conventional FI system.
-Zach'sv6
It's not that high HP is unachievable with the SHO motor, the platform is great. But to make 500hp N/A you have to spin the engine up to 10k and that means the torque curve peak is up there too. Good luck trying to drive it at anything less than fast.
I'd imagine that the heads on that motor are utterly hogged out. Does it have hillborn FI or individual carbs? I can't see how a 10k motor could even hope to develop enough vacuum at idle to run a conventional FI system.
-Zach'sv6
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you relise no one knows the exact extend of the work we can only read whats done....
you guys are just saying its x amount of dollars... for all we know its the same as ernies with a huge cam....
actually ernie would be the guy to talk to about this since he modeled his engine after it except for a few things...
you guys also relise when the heads were bench flowed they performed the best at (trying to call from memory) .450 lift... we have never even tried to get a cam of that lift in these engines....
not to mention the carb was used more then likely because the intake couldnt breath at 10k
please dont flame me if you cant come up with facts
you guys are just saying its x amount of dollars... for all we know its the same as ernies with a huge cam....
actually ernie would be the guy to talk to about this since he modeled his engine after it except for a few things...
you guys also relise when the heads were bench flowed they performed the best at (trying to call from memory) .450 lift... we have never even tried to get a cam of that lift in these engines....
not to mention the carb was used more then likely because the intake couldnt breath at 10k
please dont flame me if you cant come up with facts
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