SHO motor project, new to SHO motor.
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jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
Well, you've got a little bit of competition on that front:
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=107674
It's not done yet, but it's a Mustang.
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=107674
It's not done yet, but it's a Mustang.
HotRodKid
mmmmm ... turbo
visable crosshatch means nothing other then "this engine hasnt smeared its pistons all over the bores in a fantastic blaze of oilless glory"
Got the pistons/rods out, soaking them in Chemtool to get the carbon and sludge off. The rods bearings were in expected shape and I decided to go ahead and do the mains while I am in there, whether it need sit or not. There was no scoring on the crank but the rod bearings were pitted in places, like corrosion. I figure the mains might be in the same shape, why not check it out.
By the way, the coolant flow on this motor is baffling.
-Zach'sV6
By the way, the coolant flow on this motor is baffling.
-Zach'sV6
adidas_kn
LOWSHO
Cool project Zach. Are you in the San Antonio area? I'm in Houston and would love to see this when it's finished.
somedude_001
SHO Member
replace them. They are cheap enough.
Ok, I have to change transmission strategies.
I'm going to (for now) go with a 4r44e out of a ranger. It is temporary but I need to get the car moving and get the details of the motor swap done before I try to mess with a manual transmission swap.
Knowing that I don't know much about Ford EEC-V controllers, will the EEC-V control the 4r44e? I'm assuming it will because both the 4r44e and 4r70w use computer operated solenoids to handle the upshift/downshift and TCC lockup.
Anyone have any input on this?
Also, not worried about the torque capabilities of the 4r44e right now, it's a transmission that gets me down the road while I work out the parts for the 6 speed manual swap.
-Zach'sV6
I'm going to (for now) go with a 4r44e out of a ranger. It is temporary but I need to get the car moving and get the details of the motor swap done before I try to mess with a manual transmission swap.
Knowing that I don't know much about Ford EEC-V controllers, will the EEC-V control the 4r44e? I'm assuming it will because both the 4r44e and 4r70w use computer operated solenoids to handle the upshift/downshift and TCC lockup.
Anyone have any input on this?
Also, not worried about the torque capabilities of the 4r44e right now, it's a transmission that gets me down the road while I work out the parts for the 6 speed manual swap.
-Zach'sV6
Off Road SHO
Moderator
Good choice for now. The Ranger and Explorer people are all over the 4R44E and 5R55E. You can build up an A4LD to your hearts content. http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117793&page=7
Tom
Tom
as long as you know the 4r44e is not a long term solution, you will be fine. that trans struggles to keep up in the Ranger, so its not long for life behind the SHO motor.
you are correct about computer controls of solenoids for shifts and tcc lockup. there are stand-alone computers available for shifting the late model Ford auto trans, but mostly for the ones that are loved by Mustang guys is what I've seen. (plus they are kindof expensive.)
as Tom suggested, you can build up a A4LD to handle pretty much anything you want to throw at it....
you are correct about computer controls of solenoids for shifts and tcc lockup. there are stand-alone computers available for shifting the late model Ford auto trans, but mostly for the ones that are loved by Mustang guys is what I've seen. (plus they are kindof expensive.)
as Tom suggested, you can build up a A4LD to handle pretty much anything you want to throw at it....
Great! That makes this a lot simpler, for now.
The A4LD and, well, all of the Bordeaux transmissions are mechanically similar and in some cases identical. I should be able to take a 4r55e and put the Vulcan bell-housing on it and still use the 23 spline ranger torque converter. It won't be pretty, but it will work and it will get me down the road without having to machine an adapter. I might be able to get the flanged yoke from a 5r55e to fit too, then use the 2-piece driveshaft from the current mustang to bring up the critical speed on the driveline. My current 1 piece shaft vibrates at 36mph and at 72mph. Serendipity.
-Zach'sV6
The A4LD and, well, all of the Bordeaux transmissions are mechanically similar and in some cases identical. I should be able to take a 4r55e and put the Vulcan bell-housing on it and still use the 23 spline ranger torque converter. It won't be pretty, but it will work and it will get me down the road without having to machine an adapter. I might be able to get the flanged yoke from a 5r55e to fit too, then use the 2-piece driveshaft from the current mustang to bring up the critical speed on the driveline. My current 1 piece shaft vibrates at 36mph and at 72mph. Serendipity.
-Zach'sV6
Well, here's an idea. I can get a 1997 Aerostar computer (the year they came with the 5r55e) and swap it in to my Mustang, it's also an EEC-V. If I do that, I might be able to get the 3.0 bell-housing, the 5r55n transmission from a Lincoln LS with the appropriate torque converter to work fairly happily with the SHO motor in EDIS form.
That...or...does anyone know if you can get any old EEC-V to work with the 5r55?
So many options. I'm leaning toward the 5r55n because the gear ratios are SO much better than the 4r44 and A4ld.
What a frankencar this would end up being. Aerostar brain, sho and lincoln muscle.
Any EEC experts help me out on this one, if I can re-program my mustang computer to run all five gears on the 5r55n, then that's the obvious way to go.
If I haven't already thanked you guys, I am issuing a hearty heartfelt thank you too all of ya'll that have chimed in on this thread. I can't even begin to tell ya'll how helpful the advice has been. I might be doing the wrench work here, but it's you all that have really done the hard work and helped me sort out all the technical problems.
Thanks again.:thankyou:
-Zach'sV6
That...or...does anyone know if you can get any old EEC-V to work with the 5r55?
So many options. I'm leaning toward the 5r55n because the gear ratios are SO much better than the 4r44 and A4ld.
What a frankencar this would end up being. Aerostar brain, sho and lincoln muscle.
Any EEC experts help me out on this one, if I can re-program my mustang computer to run all five gears on the 5r55n, then that's the obvious way to go.
If I haven't already thanked you guys, I am issuing a hearty heartfelt thank you too all of ya'll that have chimed in on this thread. I can't even begin to tell ya'll how helpful the advice has been. I might be doing the wrench work here, but it's you all that have really done the hard work and helped me sort out all the technical problems.
Thanks again.:thankyou:
-Zach'sV6
luigisho
SHO Member
Not being a tuning wizard, is the source code the same across Ford platforms? i.e. is is just as easy to tune an Aerostar computer as a Mustang one? I know there are tons of people working with Mustang tuning. I know of zero working with Aerostars.
jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
Unforunately, no. The Mustang ECUs and the Aerostar ECUs use different "strategies" (a strategy being roughly defined as a version of the programming), and since these strategies don't come from Ford with a user manual, someone must decompile all the binary data into a meaningful human-readable codeset, so that it can be modified to behave in expected ways.
There are a handful of different strategies among all the different EEC-IV and EEC-V Mustangs alone (including differences between auto and manual cars, and differences between each engine available, etc.), so there's no doubt that the Aerostar strategies are different, especially considering that, AFAIK, Aerostars and Mustangs didn't share many (any?) engines and transmissions through the EEC-IV/V years.
There are a handful of different strategies among all the different EEC-IV and EEC-V Mustangs alone (including differences between auto and manual cars, and differences between each engine available, etc.), so there's no doubt that the Aerostar strategies are different, especially considering that, AFAIK, Aerostars and Mustangs didn't share many (any?) engines and transmissions through the EEC-IV/V years.
Ok, that's out.
I wonder if the Lincoln LS computer would work. It came with a duratec 3.0 that, more or less, approaches the SHO in terms of numbers. Well, no...then again...LS's use the Black Oak PCM...not the EEC....crud.
-Zach'sV6
I wonder if the Lincoln LS computer would work. It came with a duratec 3.0 that, more or less, approaches the SHO in terms of numbers. Well, no...then again...LS's use the Black Oak PCM...not the EEC....crud.
-Zach'sV6
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Off Road SHO
Moderator
Zack,
In all honesty, it would probably be a lot easier for you to you to buy an old style automatic like a C-4. Or, Nik97SHO is putting a SHO motor in a notchback using a TKO600 and an adaptor. Check out his thread on this forum.
Tom
In all honesty, it would probably be a lot easier for you to you to buy an old style automatic like a C-4. Or, Nik97SHO is putting a SHO motor in a notchback using a TKO600 and an adaptor. Check out his thread on this forum.
Tom
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That's probably the best way. It's not hard to do a auto/manual swap in a Mustang. The sticky spot is, and always has been, getting the adapter.
But I'm open to all suggestions. I don't mind doing things the hard way. I'm a engineer and I like a challenge...which this has been.
But I'm open to all suggestions. I don't mind doing things the hard way. I'm a engineer and I like a challenge...which this has been.
jonheese
Used-To-Know-It-All
I talked with Chad at Canfield and he was working on Nik97's adapter plate right then, in fact he had just finished mapping the holes. From our conversation this appears to be a doable plate but it might end up being 3/4" thick unless the 2.3L T5 is used. But, it'll work and that's all that matters. I sent him an email for updates and to put me next on the list.
Thanks ya'll for pointing this out. I'm considering this problem solved and moving on to the oil pan/k-member and motor mounts. (yay...)
-Zach'sV6
Thanks ya'll for pointing this out. I'm considering this problem solved and moving on to the oil pan/k-member and motor mounts. (yay...)
-Zach'sV6
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