Rod Bearings again

[TheNoachSHO]

Now i'm getting pissy....
I just did my rod bearings 3k ago and I just took my ride out for a spirited drive and it died. Finally got it restarted only to hear my bearings knock like they've never knocked before. I noticed that above 5.8k rpms my car had no power. And then when I was at 6 in 3 I put the clutch in and that's when it kuput! Any ideas. I'm about to go diggin in the motor to check the crank.

 

[TheNoachSHO]

One more thing to add...I just checked the dipstick...dont know why. NOTHING!!! Now just before all this happened I cornered hard and my oil pressure light came on. No oil dripping so I added 5 qts and it help a little, very little. Did I spin a bearing? doh headbang

 

[Ishodu]

That low on oil and with a light comming on even for a second I would get under there and check those bearings and the crank. If all is well its only cheap for a oil pan gasket.

 

[SHOnuff93]

" I cornered hard and my oil pressure light came on. No oil dripping so I added 5 qts and it help a little"

You were 5 qts low and you are wondering why it was knocking. Anyone want to take this one?

 

[munkee]

Has it started again since it died in third?

 

[jelloslug]

I'll take this one:

Five quarts low = SHOboom!

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Did I just read that he wwas running w/out oil??

 

[TheNoachSHO]

Ok, i'm not that stupid. I change my oil with GTX every 3k!!! I have NO LEAKS whatsoever!!! This is my confusion. It was a hard right turn which would flow the oil away from the pump so I can understang the low oil pressure. but if I did in fact have no oil I should of had a leak or something!!!

It did start back up and idling it's quiet but once you rev it, forget it....it's rather loud. Worse then before I did my bearings.

I don't know....it may be time for a 3.2 anyway. I'll know mroe tonight when I pull the pan and inspect.

 

[sdpatt]

The oil pump may be on the front of the engine (passenger side), but the oil pickup is in the center of the bottom well of the oil pan. If there was even a quart (or two) of oil in the pan, the right turn would not starve the pump. You said you added five quarts to the crankcase. What you didn't say was how full the crankcase was after this act. Too much oil can cause problems too. If you have no oil leaks, where is it going?

You have not provided us with an accurate description of the condition of your engine. Your actions to maintain it are not conducive to a long engine lifetime.

 

[Yamaha V6]

sdpatt:
Your actions to maintain it are not conducive to a long engine lifetime.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! Great one Scott!

Jason, I'd get under there in a hurry if I were you. The longer you run the car, even at idle, with a toasted set of bearings, the more damage you're going to do. AFAIK, Kirk still has the 37k miles 3.2L at the shop, and has verbal interest in it at $650. Give him a call & see about the status of the sale - 508-963-5899.

Good luck Jason.

 

[DHMag]

did you remember to put oil in it after you finished doing the rod bearings ?

 

[TheNoachSHO]

Scott - I forgot about that with the pickup. It's seemed a bit overfilled when I put the 5 quarts in but I have not yet drained it to see how much will come out. I wish I knew where the oil was going. There was a ton in plug wells but I cleaned them out and RTV'd em good. No leaks under the car and nothing smoking. shrug
Engine is/was in good shape, when I pulled the valve covers there was very light carmeling and the cams looked perfect, crank was great too when I was down there 3k ago.

Fred - I'm checking my options right now and tonight I will be yanking the oil pan back off, YET AGAIN and in the next day or so I may/may not be interested in it but thanks for the heads up.

And yes I did put oil in it when I changed the bearings.

Thanks everyone.

shrug

 

[fendermb4]

I was in Noaches car when it died.
Car had been running fine for 3000 miles since rod bearings were changed. Oil level was probably fine when we started this spirited drive because there was no oil pressure light on through 3 hard turns before the one that DID turn the light on.
When car died, the ground wire on the battery was smoking and melting. Trying to start the car again yielded a very slow crank. We jumped the car, and it started right up. Revving the motor produced serious knocking sounds above 3k rpms.
He has not been driving for 3k miles WITHOUT OIL, thats just silly. What could be the cause?
Why would the ground wire have gotten so hot?

 

[shojuan]

You're burning oil. I dunno how much of it is getting burned in the engine and how much of it is getting burned when some nasty oil leak sprays oil all over hot exhaust and other hot surfaces. Hmmm. Is your oil pressure sender MIA or just screwed in loose? You could loose a lot of oil through that. How about your filter to oil cooler junction? If you are suffering from an accidental case of "duplicate oil filter gasket" syndrome you will lose a lot of oil through there. Also there is a gasket between the oil cooler and the block. So many places for oil to leak out of. Time to get out the degreaser and clean up you engine so you can track down external leaks. Too bad you weren't checking your oil every fillup or sooner before catastrophe struck. 3000 miles: If you use 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles like I do, you would be 3 quarts low at 3000 miles. It ain't hard for these cars to use more oil than that too. Hmmm, a valve stem seal could have gone south leading to the spike in oil consumption. Lot's of little things. One thing's for sure, running the car 5 quarts low will ruin things in a hurry. And I bet you didn't even have any Duralube in there laughing

j/k about the duralube. If and when you get things straightened out after taking a looksee in the bottom end, at the least you should pick up a cheap $7 oil pressure guage from walmart and also start checking your oil level every 100-200 miles or so. At a minimum check it every fillup.

 

[TheNoachSHO]

The more I sit and ponder what happened I think I may know. Where i'm loosing oil is a total mystery. None is getting burned, at least to make any funmes or such, none is hitting the ground. I changed my pressure switch 2 days after I bought it. I know the part that goes between the oil filter and block has a small dent in it but nothing significant. Hmmmmm..

What i'm wondering is if I got one from another Taurus instead of a SHO one. Does anyone know if they are SHO specific. God know I said 3.0 DOHC SHO model but you know these parts people.

In any case with my new motor (or if mine is still ok) a triple gauge pack will definetely be going in. Not playin around again with this.

 

[TheNoachSHO]

let see if this works....

 

[TheNoachSHO]

Wow it did!!!

Crank seems ok....no scoring. But lots of metal on the crankcase. Should I just clean it out and put new bearings in or am I just past that point now. I will be taking the other three out Friday depending on answers.

Again crank seems ok but there is a lot of metal in the pan.

shrug

 

[TheNoachSHO]

Wow it did!!!

Crank seems ok....no scoring. But lots of metal on the crankcase. Should I just clean it out and put new bearings in or am I just past that point now. I will be taking the other three out Friday depending on answers.

Again crank seems ok but there is a lot of metal in the pan. Also only 7 qts came out so there is definetely a leak somewhere.


shrug

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

TheNoachSHO:
Wow it did!!!

Crank seems ok....no scoring. But lots of metal on the crankcase. Should I just clean it out and put new bearings in or am I just past that point now. I will be taking the other three out Friday depending on answers.

Again crank seems ok but there is a lot of metal in the pan. Also only 7 qts came out so there is definetely a leak somewhere.


shrug

First:

Those bearings should last WAY longer than 3k. What did you do wrong?

Second:

What kind of metal? Does a magnet pick it up? And where did the metal come from?

Lastly:

"ONLY 7 quarts" ????

You do know that the SHO engine (with stock filter) take 5.5 quarts, right??

7 quarts came out and you think there is a leak?? jpshakeh

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[TheNoachSHO]

If you had kept up with my pervious posts you'll see I had added 5 because there was NOTHING on the dipstick. So that means there was 1 1/2 to 2 quarts in the crank case.

I did the bearing install correctly, toruqed them down and everything.

This has to be due to oil starvation. It also looks like they were close to spinning. The marker tabs are damaged where it looks like they were about to let go.