P0016 Code is getting expensive

[shomethemoney2014]

Hello, I have a 2014 Ford Taurus SHO non pp with 66k. I bought it in 2019 with 42k miles on it. I have babied this thing, making sure I take good care of it. Did everything that needed done. Even changed the PTU fluid which isn't suggested. It is by far my favorite car and really hasn't given me any issues yet. Well, I now have a P0016 code popping up. First check engine light I've gotten. The sensor was replaced, and we did a fresh oil change. The code is still on. Next, all of the wiring harnesses were checked. Everything seemed to be good. Next, we did what my CarMD suggested, which was to replace the VVT Solenoid. When we took the cover off, we noticed a little slack on the chain. Code still on. Is the next step a timing chain??? Is there any other reason why that code just will not go away??

 

[Ta2dResqr]

Probable Causes
Camshaft Advance Mechanism (variable Camshaft Timing Unit)
Camshaft Position Bank 1 Sensor 1 (cmp11)
Camshaft Position Erratic From Low Oil Pressure
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuit (cmp11) Shorted To Ground
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuit (cmp11) Shorted To Voltage
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuits (cmp11) Open
Camshaft Timing
Camshaft Timing Chain Wear
Continuous Oil Flow To Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Piston Chamber
Oil Flow Restriction In Oil Passages Or Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Valve Body Oil Flow Restriction
Radio Frequency Interference
Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Unit To Camshaft Alignment
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 (vct11) Phaser
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 (vct11) Stuck In Position
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Open
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Shorted To Ground
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Shorted To Voltage
Vehicle Power (vpwr) Circuit Open

 

[shomethemoney2014]

Probable Causes
Camshaft Advance Mechanism (variable Camshaft Timing Unit)
Camshaft Position Bank 1 Sensor 1 (cmp11)
Camshaft Position Erratic From Low Oil Pressure
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuit (cmp11) Shorted To Ground
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuit (cmp11) Shorted To Voltage
Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 Circuits (cmp11) Open
Camshaft Timing
Camshaft Timing Chain Wear
Continuous Oil Flow To Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Piston Chamber
Oil Flow Restriction In Oil Passages Or Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Valve Body Oil Flow Restriction
Radio Frequency Interference
Variable Camshaft Timing (vct) Unit To Camshaft Alignment
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 (vct11) Phaser
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 (vct11) Stuck In Position
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Open
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Shorted To Ground
Variable Camshaft Timing Solenoid Bank 1 Solenoid 1 Circuit (vct11) Shorted To Voltage
Vehicle Power (vpwr) Circuit Open

Thank you for your response and help! Question: Is there a way to pinpoint any of these issues? I’m kind of stuck at the moment and really don’t want to do a timing chain if I don’t have to.

 

[Ta2dResqr]

Really, it is just a start down the path with checking PIDs, voltages, datalogs, etc. Do you have a scan tool and multimeter?

 

[Mazuroo]

Timing chain, timing chain! Had mine replaced at about 65k.

 

[shomethemoney2014]

Really, it is just a start down the path with checking PIDs, voltages, datalogs, etc. Do you have a scan tool and multimeter?

Yes my buddy does for sure. We will take a look! Thanks

 

[shomethemoney2014]

Timing chain, timing chain! Had mine replaced at about 65k.

Right on time I guess lol thanks for your input!

 

[SHOrod]

You didn't happen to have changed the engine oil shortly before this diagnostic code popped up, did you? I've not heard about it so much on this site, but with at least some of the Honda VTEC engines, they'll throw codes for the VVT system if the wrong oil grade is used or the level is off. It seems to be a rather common occurrence after oil changes at quick **** places, even though they swear they used the correct oil.

-Rod

 

[gwrabbit]

Most of the time when this P0016 code rears its ugly head for us, it means that it's time for a new timing chain.

 

[shomethemoney2014]

Most of the time when this P0016 code rears its ugly head for us, it means that it's time for a new timing chain.

It looks like that is what it is going to be. Doing it next weekend, will update then...

 

[shomethemoney2014]

You didn't happen to have changed the engine oil shortly before this diagnostic code popped up, did you? I've not heard about it so much on this site, but with at least some of the Honda VTEC engines, they'll throw codes for the VVT system if the wrong oil grade is used or the level is off. It seems to be a rather common occurrence after oil changes at quick **** places, even though they swear they used the correct oil.

-Rod

Yes I have! And funny you mention that, my buddy who is helping me is a Honda mechanic. That was his immediate though. Fortunately enough, he's the guy that pumps the oil into my car and he put the correct oil in there. All signs point to timing chain, wish me luck!

 

[shomethemoney2014]

FYI... dealership quoting me $2500 for timing chain, water pump replacement. Looks like we are just going to tackle this ourselves.

 

[SHOrod]

Best of luck to you!

-Rod

 

[SHOrod]

Wow, I guess the censor on this site won't even allow the use of the word, "l u b e."

-Rod

 

[kcobra]

Hello, I have a 2014 Ford Taurus SHO non pp with 66k. I bought it in 2019 with 42k miles on it. I have babied this thing, making sure I take good care of it. Did everything that needed done. Even changed the PTU fluid which isn't suggested. It is by far my favorite car and really hasn't given me any issues yet. Well, I now have a P0016 code popping up. First check engine light I've gotten. The sensor was replaced, and we did a fresh oil change. The code is still on. Next, all of the wiring harnesses were checked. Everything seemed to be good. Next, we did what my CarMD suggested, which was to replace the VVT Solenoid. When we took the cover off, we noticed a little slack on the chain. Code still on. Is the next step a timing chain??? Is there any other reason why that code just will not go away??

Timing set. I had to do mine with only 52000 miles at that time. I also did water pump while there. Had Ford dealership do it with all Ford parts so warrantied for 12 months. $3000!

 

[FiveLeeter918]

One of Ford's greatest mysteries is why the P0016 code isn't properly labeled in the shop manuals. We have had customers reach out to after replacing every VVT component in the system only for us to have to bear the unfortunate news that they were replacing the wrong components and it was in fact the timing chain stretch they needed to address.

 

[shomethemoney2014]

Forgot to update: replaced timing chain and all other timing components and the engine light is off! Thanks for everyone’s input

 

[luigisho]

Timing chain, timing chain! Had mine replaced at about 65k.

THat is freakin sad to have stretch issues that early. Like running a rubber timing belt at that point. Ford quality is job 1

 

[shomethemoney2014]

THat is freakin sad to have stretch issues that early. Like running a rubber timing belt at that point. Ford quality is job 1

It was stretched a good bit too like a whole inch. Glad nothing catastrophic happened

 

[shomethemoney2014]

It was stretched a good bit too like a whole inch. Glad nothing catastrophic happened