Transmission issue
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esfoad
Esfoad
Damn! I hope they find the problem soon.
brokentbing
New Member
Yeah, no luck. Reflash and spark plugs didn't work. Wife pulled out in traffic this morning and it happened again. This time she didn't make a fan behind her and almost got rear ended. Needless to say she is now driving my 09' F250 4x4 crew cap diesel and me the piece of s--- SHO. Lets see what they say to do now....
SHOrod
Torrie Tuned
Sadly, it's almost to the point where you need to consider filing a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) as safety is definitely a concern.
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bpd1151
Lurking Around
Please continue to keep us posted as I am not the only one paying attention to this matter.
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brokentbing
New Member
Dealer has car once again and need to drive it so it will act up for them ( I hope ). They have been very good about the whole thing. This time they even gave us a SHO to drive in the mean time. I will keep posting on......
Tech Addiction
New Member
My Flex is in the shop now. I lost AWD and now I have a really over powered FWD. The dealer had the mechanic road test it but he didn't get on it so he said it was just a lot of power and that is how the Ecoboost is. I told the service writer that it started out chirping the front tires and then by the end of the night it was blowing the fron tires away and lighting the traction control. It would short shift into second and then blow the tires away again as the boost came back on. I tried to tell him the day before I could slam the throttle in the rain and it wouldn't slip not one bit. After I took him for a ride he agreed to investigate further. Today he was on the phone with Ford engineers. He told me he would put it up on the lift and see if the back tires would spin with the front. Has any of you SHO drivers lost the AWD? The manual says the computer can turn it off to avoid damage if you overheat it like getting stuck in mud or snow but the message center would say AWD (OFF). It did not. and there were no codes. I hope it doesn't take a long time to fix, I just picked it up Friday and had to drop it off this Monday.
itguy08
Member
Check out www.fordtaurus.net - I think there was a guy over there that had a bad PTU or rear diff that made him be a FWD only.
Tech Addiction
New Member
Thanks
Edit: That was th exact problem I have and I knew it was a PTU problem. The Service Writer thinks i'm crazy and seems to be very skeptical of there being a problem. The Mechanic seems to believe me but I really just want the parts ordered now so I can hurry up and get it back. I hope the new PTU is improved.
Edit 2: Now the dealer says they put it on the rack and the back wheels are turning. If they are, it is only friction. I haven't heard from the mechanic. With the temp around 74 outside it would blow the front tires away through second. No way the rear is under any power.
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EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
My "Brick" with tune hooks up very strongly, leaving AWD rubber for about 40 feet, and only chirps tires going into 2nd & 3rd. You definitely have something wrong. As I understand it, power is transferred to the wheel(s) with the most grip. So in a micro-second, all wheels should be spinning or none.
Tech Addiction
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The dealer said today that the rear wheels are spinning when on the rack but only the left front tire is spinning on the front. It has crazy torque steer when you get on it and it makes it wonder all over the road steering itself till you let out of it. This is not the way it drove on last Friday. I went to the dealer this morning and carrried the copy of the Taurus SHO 's service ticket with me and they called it into Ford. Ford says that his problem was Intermittent and not exactly like mine. Now the dealer called me after I headed to work at 1:30 this afternoon and said Ford wants me to run the Premium gas out and put Regular in and bring it back to the dealer for another test they want to do. I know Premium wont make it do this. They also gave me a 2007 Taurus turd that had warped rotors and smoke smell all in the interior. It floats like a 1969 Cadilac. I told the Sales Manager I refused to drive that POS anymore and He said when they call me back in, he will give me a nice car to drive. I took my Flex with me. Why does every dealer have to repeat the same mistakes each other make without learning? I am dead serious that I planted my foot in the throttle Friday while it was raining and had no spinning wheels and no torque steer. The dealer doesn't have another Flex Eco to test but the Sales Manager says he knows the SHO they have on the lot does not spin the front wheels on drive pavement and engage the traction control. Mine does.
Update: I got home late last night after work and just for ***** and giggles I put the Flex in drive while stopped in my gravel driveway and gave some gas and it dug two trenches in my driveway with the front wheels. The back wheels didn't even disturb not one rock. It looks like I launched my 2005 Mustang GT. I'm pretty sure AWD should not do this but what do I know, I'm just an ASE Master Technician.
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brokentbing
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Not sure if dealer has tried that yet, still don't have car. It has been just over a week now and no word. I know they want to get pass this cause we're still driving their SHO. I'll keep all posted
Tech Addiction
New Member
Well this is the start of the third week and I decided to take the Flex to a different dealer. The Customer relations rep i'm dealing with contacted a new FSE by email and confirmed what I already knew, wait for it..... the Premium gas had nothing to do with my problem. The new dealer had my Flex since 9:00 AM this morning and called me at 3:30 today and said the PTO was found to be bad and the parts are already on order. They said they would have them at the dealer by Wed and it would take a couple hours to install. I got an extended warranty for free to boot. Sure would have been easier if the first dealer would have listened to me the first time.
Since this is also a SHO problem as well, you might want to keep an eye on any AWD issues. Seems like a bad batch of PTO's got out the door and unless your driving yours agressive, you probably wont notice the rear wheels aren't pushing.
Since this is also a SHO problem as well, you might want to keep an eye on any AWD issues. Seems like a bad batch of PTO's got out the door and unless your driving yours agressive, you probably wont notice the rear wheels aren't pushing.
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is there any way to test if the AWD is working correctly?
What's the build date on your car for reference?
SHODWN
Mother Threasa
Yup go launce hard, if you get tire spin then its not working.. When I disengage my AWD tire boil off the car...
Also if SHO check under dash fuse 14, pull it and the wrench will come on but this way you are disengaging the AWD for sure.
Or do what the other guy did, park it on a dirt drive way or road and try it. if you start digging trenches then its not working..
Sounds like to me that the rear end is no good, but this should be throwing wheel sensor codes all over the place!
Tech Addiction
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No, they checked the PTO with a pid test and it resulted in no output from the PTO. I'm not sure if they are replacing the rear too. I will find out when I pick it up. I will also ask if there was an upgraded PTO which would mean a revision to the original. The problem is that most dealers have no experience with this AWD system and they don't know how it is supposed to work. Even when the second FSE said that the premium fuel had nothing to do with the issue he still said that the front wheels will spin by themselves for up to 10 feet but if more than 10 feet then something is wrong. That statement is absolutely false. Thats the purpose of AWD. Then they tried to say I was confusing AWD with 4WD. Once again they think I was stupid and didn't know any better. The problem and scary thing is that most people that are not car guys will not know the AWD is not working till they drive it in the snow or sand and then they will blame the vehicle thinking it's a POS. This problem could be wide spread and Ford would not know it. Imagine if a customer was not mechanically inclined and were treated the way I was, they would have just believed the dealer that nothing was wrong. The Mechanic I took it to yesterday really just drove it around the building and hit the gas and it spun the tires hard. He parked it and said yep, there is a problem. I really got lucky finding this guy and having him know something about AWD. The customer Service lady I was dealing with said neither dealer had worked on an Ecoboost before. Putting the vehicle on a lift will not tell you if there is a problem unless the rear wheels don't move at all. Mine did and the PTO was still broke. It was friction making the rear wheels move on the lift but the first dealer was too stupid to know that. I should get it back either tomorrow or Thursday. I will upload the repair order for everybody to use and keep minus my personal info.
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brokentbing
New Member
Well received car back last night and this morning once again a thunk and hesitation taking off from a stop light. One of these time we are bound to get rear ended. Anyway Not sure what the dealer did if anything. Was told that they reprogrammed the computer once again. I think they wanted their loaner SHO back after two weeks. They claim that the car never did act up for them, what's the odds of that when the very next day my wife has it do it to her. We are beginning to think we're crazy. Dealer had me call Ford and start a claim on the car. We'll see what happens now. We just want a SHO that will run correctly, you know the one that we paid over $45,000 for.
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Tech Addiction
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I talked to the dealer today and the service writer said they tested the rear diff and the clutches all tested good and passed. He said they are only replacing the PTO. He said he has no way of knowing if the replacement PTO was improved or changed from the original because it has the same part number as mine. He said it could have been updated earlier in the year but he has no way of knowing. He also mentioned I could work with the customer relations lady to find out what the failure of my PTO is. They are sending it back to the engineering lab which I already figured. The parts hadn't come in as of 3:00 PM today so hopefully they will come in tomorrow morning and I should get the Flex back by tomorrow evening. More to follow.
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