So what did you do to your SHO today!?

[SM105K]

The term drilled is for the pad surface. Vented rotors have been around forever, 89 SHO had them, and those F1s are still just high $$ vented.

In your case, you said the operative words: PP pads. We've known since BIR at the 2012 Convention that the 2013+ PP pads are serious pads. You could have the cheapest blank rotors on your car, and you wouldn't have any so-called "warping" either.

Soapbox time. This myth about rotors extends across all car groups: from all SHO gens, the Focus lists, Legacy GT, and especially now in the Challenger/Charger lists I'm in. Driver gets the supposed "warped rotors" from melting pad deposits. Rather than a cleanup pass, they spend $$ (in some cases, big $$) for a brake kit, with at the minimum, new blingy rotors and pads. After driving said combo, declare that "these new rotors are great", continuing the myth that rotors have magical powers to stop "warping". Totally ignoring that they also got better pads, which are 100% the reason that the rotors no longer "warp". The posting of articles, and the experience of many track people that refutes their myth doesn't seem to matter. So yeah, I continue this crusade against ignorance. I'll remove my soapbox for now!

Not up for dragging it out for the "87 octane myth" today!

I agree with pads. I just don't agree on your assessment of drilled and slotted rotors. I agree with ****** pads leaving deposits on rotors 100%.

Story time.... The reason I have PP pads on my SHO is because I threw the PS Performance Pads in the trash after a mountain run. I thought the PS pads were going to be better. I was wrong. I got the PS pads way out of their operating temps and had incredible brake fade. To the point I had to do things to my transmission that I cringe about just to keep the car on the road. I went back to the PP pad, direct swap and those issues haven't come back and abused the crap out of my SHO.

I also have a Ford Focus ST with Powerstop drilled and slotted rotors and "their" Performance Pads. It is my daily, and the junk pads (again) have left deposits and my brakes feel warped. When I first got my Focus, I treated it like another fun car. Tune, short shifter, DP, and brakes. Over the years, I have de-modified it and now it lives as a dedicated DD. It is getting right at 35 mpg and I drive 60 miles a day on average. I live with the warped feeling (around 75) because I refuse to spend money to clean up the rotors and buy new pads.

Pads are everything.

 

[SilvererSHO]

I spent over $120 a piece for my fancy wavy grooved Raybestos coated rotors for the simple fact they looked cool and threw them in the trash pile before I had 3,000 miles on them. The harmonics during braking were horrendous. I thought they'd break in but only got worse. Put on regular rotors using the same pads and all is well. Pad gasses are a myth. Pads haven't gassed in decades.

 

[Bluezone]

The term drilled is for the pad surface. Vented rotors have been around forever, 89 SHO had them, and those F1s are still just high $$ vented.

In your case, you said the operative words: PP pads. We've known since BIR at the 2012 Convention that the 2013+ PP pads are serious pads. You could have the cheapest blank rotors on your car, and you wouldn't have any so-called "warping" either.

Soapbox time. This myth about rotors extends across all car groups: from all SHO gens, the Focus lists, Legacy GT, and especially now in the Challenger/Charger lists I'm in. Driver gets the supposed "warped rotors" from melting pad deposits. Rather than a cleanup pass, they spend $$ (in some cases, big $$) for a brake kit, with at the minimum, new blingy rotors and pads. After driving said combo, declare that "these new rotors are great", continuing the myth that rotors have magical powers to stop "warping". Totally ignoring that they also got better pads, which are 100% the reason that the rotors no longer "warp". The posting of articles, and the experience of many track people that refutes their myth doesn't seem to matter. So yeah, I continue this crusade against ignorance. I'll remove my soapbox for now!

Not up for dragging it out for the "87 octane myth" today!

But Ron, I thought ignorance was Bliss?

 

[Christian]

Spent 1700 dollars today on a staggered set of Continental DWS06 plus tires. Wow. way ore money than I'd normally spend, but after my Cooper RSG's wore out with less than 20k miles, I thought I'd get these instead and hope for better results.

 

[RonPorter]

Spent 1700 dollars today on a staggered set of Continental DWS06 plus tires. Wow. way ore money than I'd normally spend, but after my Cooper RSG's wore out with less than 20k miles, I thought I'd get these instead and hope for better results.

Well, they are the best generic supposed "all season" tires. Comparable to the best 100 yard dash in the Special Olympics. Being in Canada, you should be running two sets. Winter and Summer tires. Once you do, you'll see how lame tires like the 540 treadware DWS06 really are.

 

[SM105K]

Well, they are the best generic supposed "all season" tires. Comparable to the best 100 yard dash in the Special Olympics. Being in Canada, you should be running two sets. Winter and Summer tires. Once you do, you'll see how lame tires like the 540 treadware DWS06 really are.

My DWS06's have cut a 1.72 sixty foot and have lasted more then 30k so far......

 

[Christian]

Well, they are the best generic supposed "all season" tires. Comparable to the best 100 yard dash in the Special Olympics. Being in Canada, you should be running two sets. Winter and Summer tires. Once you do, you'll see how lame tires like the 540 treadware DWS06 really are.

I do run Winter tires on seperate rims. While I am in Canada, we are in the Pacific Northwest, which gets little, if any snow. (weather identical to Portland OR or Seattle WA). When you say "Generic", what do you mean? They're classified as a "Ultra high-perfomance" all season tire. Certainly performance enough for me anyway. They definitely handle sharper than my RS3 G1's and apparently a fantastic rain tire (which is what we DO get here in Winter). I at least hope they last longer than my Coopers did.

 

[RonPorter]

My DWS06's have cut a 1.72 sixty foot and have lasted more then 30k so far......

30k miles is what 540 treadware will get you. I'm sure that 1.72 can be improved with a better summer tire, unless it's power limited.

Only got a few runs my 1st time out, but got a 1.9x with 305 Pirelli PZ4s on my (obviously RWD) M6 (6-speed) Hellcat.

 

[RonPorter]

I do run Winter tires on seperate rims. While I am in Canada, we are in the Pacific Northwest, which gets little, if any snow. (weather identical to Portland OR or Seattle WA). When you say "Generic", what do you mean? They're classified as a "Ultra high-perfomance" all season tire. Certainly performance enough for me anyway. They definitely handle sharper than my RS3 G1's and apparently a fantastic rain tire (which is what we DO get here in Winter). I at least hope they last longer than my Coopers did.

Any all-season is a generic in my book. You can't have optimal performance across the entire temp range.

The only a/s tire that I consider worth a damn, although it's not really high performance, despite being a favorite of SHO folks for years, is the Nokian WR G4 (as well as the previous G2, G3 iterations). An a/s tire with the M&S rating snowflake. You can run it year round, and they wear like iron. My wife's Grand Prix has a set of WR G4s. Her previous Del Sol had WR G2s. And on my former work mule 02 Grand Marquis, I did 2.5 winters on gas well rigs in OH, PA & WV with a set of WR G3s. Never got stuck, except for two high-centers.

On my previous M6 Scat Pack Challenger, I ran the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3s, which I think are the best non-studded winters on the market. Scandinavians know how to make winter tires!Truth be told, I was going to get the R3s for the Hellcat this winter. But TR had a great deal on Blizzak DM-V2s last September, for $156 less per tire than the R3s (!), so, I'm back to Blizzaks.

Around here, in the northern Detroit suburbs, we don't get heavy snow. Mostly slush, ice, wet. Like today, light snow this morning, and it is now light rain at 34F.

Anyway, I put up with a/s tires for years. After buying the new 05 Legacy GT wagon in late 04, and suffering through the 1st winter with the godawful RE92 a/s crap, I went to summer tires for the upcoming HPDE track days, and a set of Hankook Icebears for the next winter. Been running 2 sets ever since. You understand much better how poorly a/s are at doing anything after you've had true summer and true winter tires.

 

[Angrymongoose]

So I live in Omaha Nebraska and running two sets would be an absolute nightmare. We can have all 4 seasons in the same week and it happens alot. Would summer tires be better in the dry summer, yes. Would winter tires be better in the cold snowy months, yes. Is it worth the hassle of changing them, absolutely not.

Now if I went to the road course around here regularly I would have a set of dedicated track tires, and that I could justify. Changing tires for daily life I could not. A/S and driver skill are more than enough for the winters here.

 

[bpd1151]

I never realized myself, how important dedicated tires were. Or rather are.

I learned this 1st hand, back when I had my built Charger that was ready for SEMA back in '09 when that car met its demise in a double rollover avoiding an impending head on with a cr.otch rocket that crossed the center line.

However, prior to that event, I had daily'd that car and it was horrible in the winters. UNTIL THAT IS I purchased my 1st ever set of dedicated winter shoes. Blzzaks to be specific.

Now I purchase winter shoes for all of my cars (sans the SHO), and then wife and kids will run their all seasons the other 3/4th's of any given year. The SHO runs the Nitto triple 5 R's now as she is only a show or track car.

It takes all of 1hr tops for my local place to perform a tire swap. That includes dismounting, remounting / re-balancing. Seem like a no brainer IMHO.

 

[RonPorter]

So I live in Omaha Nebraska and running two sets would be an absolute nightmare. We can have all 4 seasons in the same week and it happens alot. Would summer tires be better in the dry summer, yes. Would winter tires be better in the cold snowy months, yes. Is it worth the hassle of changing them, absolutely not.

Now if I went to the road course around here regularly I would have a set of dedicated track tires, and that I could justify. Changing tires for daily life I could not. A/S and driver skill are more than enough for the winters here.

What hassle? Two tire changes a year! And I'm pulling them more often to swap between street and Track pads!

Your weather is no different than here around Detroit. Woke up to snow on the ground yesterday at 32F. Hit 36F, and lightly rained in the afternoon. Hit 19F last night, and another inch of snow overnight.

I generally look at swapping some time in November. Do I have some days that go from freezing to 60 with my summer tires? Sure, not the end of the world. Even some freezing rain, or a little snow doesn't hurt.

I won't pull the winters until mid April this year. Yeah, we've had "one" 70F day, a coupla 60s, but 23F right now on Sunday afternoon.

The better handling of the winter tires in cold weather is well worth it, even on dry pavement.

You obviously have never run two sets of tires that are best suited to the conditions. That's fine, ignorance can be bliss. Driving a vehicle with performance capabilities demands better, IMO. Even my neighbor, with his boring, pedestrian commuter vehicles (well, except his Cooper S Mini) runs two sets. But then, he's also the Parts Mgr of a BMW/Mini/Porsche dealer, and they do a huge business in winter tires, and tire storage.

 

[RonPorter]

I never realized myself, how important dedicated tires were. Or rather are.

I learned this 1st hand, back when I had my built Charger that was ready for SEMA back in '09 when that car met its demise in a double rollover avoiding an impending head on with a cr.otch rocket that crossed the center line.

However, prior to that event, I had daily'd that car and it was horrible in the winters. UNTIL THAT IS I purchased my 1st ever set of dedicated winter shoes. Blzzaks to be specific.

Now I purchase winter shoes for all of my cars (sans the SHO), and then wife and kids will run their all seasons the other 3/4th's of any given year. The SHO runs the Nitto triple 5 R's now as she is only a show or track car.

It takes all of 1hr tops for my local place to perform a tire swap. That includes dismounting, remounting / re-balancing. Seem like a no brainer IMHO.

Why not just have another set of wheels? But then, if you don't have the garage storage space, I've heard that Discount Tire will store (for a price) your off-season tires or wheels/tires.

 

[bpd1151]

Good question RP.

I have plenty of space for the storage. I mean s.hit, all my tires are stacked in the garage now.

Never thought of just picking up another set of wheels. 1st thought is the wife would cringe at that expense, shrugging it off as unnecessary, but hey, she came around to the dedicated winter shoes when she saw herself how well they were/are on her own car. Maybe she'll warm up to a 2nd set of wheels to?

Now i find myself shrugging my shoulders. Haha. Baby steps Ron, baby steps.

 

[RonPorter]

Good question RP.

I have plenty of space for the storage. I mean s.hit, all my tires are stacked in the garage now.

Never thought of just picking up another set of wheels. 1st thought is the wife would cringe at that expense, shrugging it off as unnecessary, but hey, she came around to the dedicated winter shoes when she saw herself how well they were/are on her own car. Maybe she'll warm up to a 2nd set of wheels to?

Now i find myself shrugging my shoulders. Haha. Baby steps Ron, baby steps.

At one point a few years ago, I had around 40 tires and wheels in the garage! Now down to the Summer tires, and one set of stocks from the Grand Prix I need to sell.

 

[76FoMoCo]

4000' DA. Car fell on it's face at the last shift but a super close race. Right side.

 

[bpd1151]

A perfect light!

WOWZERS!!!!

Most impressive

 

[GHNorth]

Good question RP.

I have plenty of space for the storage. I mean s.hit, all my tires are stacked in the garage now.

Never thought of just picking up another set of wheels. 1st thought is the wife would cringe at that expense, shrugging it off as unnecessary, but hey, she came around to the dedicated winter shoes when she saw herself how well they were/are on her own car. Maybe she'll warm up to a 2nd set of wheels to?

Now i find myself shrugging my shoulders. Haha. Baby steps Ron, baby steps.

Being a bachelor has its advantages. I stored my spare tires/wheels in my den. Blizzaks for the rare snowy trips in my Isuzu VehiCross. I don't have winter spares for my SHO since I never drive in the snow.

 

[RonPorter]

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Being a bachelor has its advantages. I stored my spare tires/wheels in my den. Blizzaks for the rare snowy trips in my Isuzu VehiCross. I don't have winter spares for my SHO since I never drive in the snow.

Yeah, my new pair of summer rears are in the basement (easy with a walk-out) to keep them fresh before I put them on in May, after doing one dragstrip day, which should be the end of last year's summer rears.

 

[Christian]

Why not just have another set of wheels? But then, if you don't have the garage storage space, I've heard that Discount Tire will store (for a price) your off-season tires or wheels/tires.

This is exactly what I do. Tire Shop charges me 80 dollars yearly to store my tires/wheels. 30 buck per changeover/rebalance and a free coffee while I wait.