LOOK what I Found.. NEW 3.2L

[ROB L]

Hi All,

Well after quite the search, I found this BRAND NEW 3.2L engine for my replacement It is actually BRAND SPANKIN NEW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2433460397&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting


It is a big chunk of change, but it seems definetly worth it. After all it is complete right down to the sparl pkugs and wires.

I will soon be selling off all salvageable parts off my 3.2L if anyone needs anything email me at [email protected] I will put together an ad as soon as I get caught up.

I paid for it, and it will be here next Thursday

I can't wait to just stare at it wink
Any suggestions on things I should do to it b4 installing. I figure I will clear coat all the aluminum parts w/ heat paint......

Also, Can I get it in thru the top if I take the exhaust manifolds off????

Thanx,
ROB
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[NotSoSlowSHO]

Just FYI...

it will probably need LOTS of seals replaced.

engines like to be run and used, not boxed up and stored. shrug

 

[ROB L]

I am not sure about that one, but I will check it out. It has a FULL WARRANTY for 12months / 12,000 miles....

 

[NinjaMike]

You paid $3800 for a 0 mile motor??? I would be more suspect of a 0 mile motor that has been sitting for years then I would of a 70k motor that was used last month, and for the price difference... I can have 10 of my 70k 3.2's for what you bought your one for.

IIRC, it was a 10 year old crate motor with 0 miles that is one of two motors to ever snap a camshaft.

Regardless, you seem really excited and if I had that kind of money to spend, I'd be really excited too! Are you sticking it into an ATX or doing a 3.2 swap?

 

[Rockledge]

I'm lost...how could it snap a camshaft if it has zero miles on it?

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

try getting out of bed after 10 years of sleeping

 

[whlav]

Looks fantastic! Good luck on a great find.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Wow. eek!

That's an awful lot of money to put into an engine for a 10-year-old car. For that price you probably could have found another sub-100K mile Gen 2, or even a Gen 3, plus the money you would have made selling your car for parts/salvage. Then add the $700-$1000 you're going to pay for install labor if you can't do it yourself and that $4400 could have bought you one heck of a nice SHO...

Or, around here you could have had a used 3.2L with all new rings, bearings, gaskets, etc. installed for around $2K. Or a rebuilt motor bored out to 3.3L installed for for about the same $3400 you just paid for just the motor (how much did shipping cost???).

Mikey installed a brand-spanking new 3.2L a couple of months ago that snapped a camshaft the first time it was started. I'd recommend paying whoever installs the motor to go through it first with a fine-tooth comb, apply assembly **** to all the points where it should have been, inspect all the gaskets & seals, etc. Having a warranty and getting the seller to honor it are two completely separate things.

Weren't you fussing recently over having to pay $575 for a PP y-pipe? This deal sounds like 'penny wise, pound foolish' to the extreme.

But, as long as you're happy, that's all that counts! If you need some recommendations on places to have it installed let me know.

 

[olympic]

The seals should be OK since they've never seen oil or been heated and cooled. I bought an 89 3.0 with 15k miles, it had sat in a warehouse for the better part of 10 years and everything looked OK. I did replace the crank seals and dropped the pan to see if there was any junk in it and pre-**** everything, but upon inspection, I don't think it was necessary. The only thing that happened from storage is the injectors got gummed up from stale fuel, but that was easily fixed.

The ad did say your engine was sim-tested for oil pressure, so everything should already be lubed.

Good luck with it! I think you paid a fair price and you've got 60k+ miles until the first valve gapping!

 

[HopefulSHO]

Agreed. Don't let anyone bring you down, I wish I could have a 0 mile 3.2!!

 

[ROB L]

Yeah the negative comments seem to be a joke.

If they knew anything about mechanical devices, they would know that the metal of cams DO NOT become brittle from not being used and break.

I mean...Come On Now. Use your head for once instead of spitting out negative comments.

BTW ...What is the price for a full 3.2L swap, anyway...???
Pretty Dam close to the $3400 I paid, Right.

But thats right, who would ever want to find a BRAND NEW 3.2L that has never been used....

 

[NinjaMike]

ROB L:
Yeah the negative comments seem to be a joke.

If they knew anything about mechanical devices, they would know that the metal of cams DO NOT become brittle from not being used and break.

I mean...Come On Now. Use your head for once instead of spitting out negative comments.

BTW ...What is the price for a full 3.2L swap, anyway...???
Pretty Dam close to the $3400 I paid, Right.

But thats right, who would ever want to find a BRAND NEW 3.2L that has never been used....

I didn't see any negative comments. The motor that Mikey worked on had less than 30 miles on it. It was one of two cars (known) to ever break a cam. And at that, it was just an observance, not a prediction.

The gentleman that bought it obviously has the money to buy it and thinks he got a great deal, so if he's happy, that's all that matters. I'll say it again though, I wish I had just half of the money he has.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

olympic:
The seals should be OK since they've never seen oil or been heated and cooled.

Just FYI, contact with oil is not what kills seals.

Oil protects seals.

Ozone, dryness, and time kills seals, and "dry-rot" will take effect.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

ROB L:
Yeah the negative comments seem to be a joke.

If they knew anything about mechanical devices, they would know that the metal of cams DO NOT become brittle from not being used and break.

If YOU knew anything about mechanical devices then you wouldn't have even started this thread squint

And who said that cams become brittle from not being used?? Now you are miss-quoting people?

Give me a break...

You asked for suggestions. And you got them, along with opinions that I suggest you consider.

 

[ROB L]

Hats off to all the keyboard NASCAR Certified mechanic want-a-be's shrug shrug

I asked for opinions of a helpful nature, not so Joe Smoe's negative opinion. Your comments are useless so why not just keep to yourself.

I mean come on have you ever seen a full breakdown of a brand new production motor??
All important surfaces, lip seal, etc... are covered in Assembly pre-**** for complete protection. I have in plenty of FORD and ASE classes thru the years, and there are plenty of precautions to insure that the motors will perform as expected (even if in storage). Do you really think that the prelube dissappears, and camshafts will break because of storage, etc???

And not that it is any of your business, but I work very hard for my money, and don't as you insinuate..Have Money to Throw Around.

Yes it is true that if I were to get all my money back from this project I would probablly come CLOSE to getting my $ back; but can anyone w/ this hobby/passion honestly say that they will get there money back at sale time. NO!!!!

As for everyone else that responded.. THANK YOU for the positive reassurance


And Cams do not break becase

 

[Mr Anonymous]

ROB L:
I have in plenty of FORD and ASE classes thru the years, and there are plenty of precautions to insure that the motors will perform as expected (even if in storage). Do you really think that the prelube dissappears, and camshafts will break because of storage, etc???

Were these Ford and ASE classes where you learned to break off the tip of a screwdriver while trying to find TDC of a cylinder?

As I said in my previous post, as long as you're happy, that's all that matters. I believe the point myself and others have trying to politely make while you've been rude and defensive is that while it may be neat to have found a new 'crate' motor, the economics of it don't make sense (regardless of how much $$$ one does or doesn't have), and more importantly, you really don't have any way of truly knowing under what conditions this motor was acquired and stored by the seller. Maybe it was a factory reject. Maybe it was subjected to extreme bench testing. Presuming it is a perfect factory fresh crate engine, engines don't usually take kindly for being stored for extended periods (in this case 7-10 years) without special care being taken. If this motor was stored in less than ideal conditions, it may have suffered dry rot to gaskets and seals, it may have been subjected to temperature extremes and humidity which might have resulted in rust, corrosion, oxidation, etc. Assembly **** doesn't have an unlimited life span. Do you think that a camshaft rusting to the journals might result in shearing when power is applied? Nobody said the metal becomes brittle. Ever snap a rusty bolt? Same concept.

Again, we really are trying to be helpful and don't want to see you end up disappointed if this motor doesn't turn out to be all you've hoped for. Hopefully everything will work out perfectly and all of this will be for not (just use a wooden dowel next time if you need to find TDC). The best warranty is one you never have to use. If you're unfortunate enough to have to avail yourself of the warranty, I hope the seller will honor it and not leave you hanging out to dry.

As to the other questions you had... Spraying the aluminum parts with clear heat paint will do nothing except turn a nicotine yellow in a couple of months. The motor can be removed/installed from the top or bottom with the exhaust manifolds (and all of the engine accessories) installed. A low-mileage used 3.2L could have been done here in MA for about $2K: ~$600/motor, ~$600/all new gaskets, seals, rings, etc., and ~$800 labor.

Good luck!

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

You are a real piece of work, arnt you...

ROB L:
Hats off to all the keyboard NASCAR Certified mechanic want-a-be's shrug shrug

I asked for opinions of a helpful nature, not so Joe Smoe's negative opinion. Your comments are useless so why not just keep to yourself.

It's called knowledge smart guy. You dont have to be certified to learn and retain pertinent info. Actually, it takes much less. Try visiting a library sometime. They store information in those things known as books

negative opinion and useless comments huh? Well, Im sorry I bursted your bubble about your fancy "NEW 3.2". The fact is, if you want to install it and run it without doubts... you need to tear it down.

ROB L:
I have in plenty of FORD and ASE classes thru the years [QB]

Okay... your kidding right?

Just because you have taken a few classes doesnt mean that you "hold the book." The most important thing I learned during my 4 years of college, and one year of grad school is how much I DONT know.

You need a dose of reality... screwdriver boy.

ROB L
[QB] Yes it is true that if I were to get all my money back from this project I would probablly come CLOSE to getting my $ back; but can anyone w/ this hobby/passion honestly say that they will get there money back at sale time. NO!!!!

I think you need to stop searching for reasons to make this purchase look cost effective. It wasnt.

If I were you, and if I was already committed to the purchase, I would tear the motor down prior to install.

Afterall, do you really want to risk destroying a BRAND NEW engine?

 

[ROB L]

Well, as far as the screwdriver method...I am sure many of you have used this method in the past. Yes I won't use this method again

Because Yes I agree we learn something new everyday. If a wiseass wants to go about comparing years of ACTUAL experience I am more than happy to see him waste his time wink

SHOooo although you ****** me off w/ some comments, I appreciate you also inputting some actual positive advise.

I will check into the condition of the internals. I may just use a lighted scope and check the cams b4 I waste time dismantling a new factory sealed motor.

As for NotSoWhatever boy, I don't have time for your ignorance, so keep your wasteful comments to yourself.

But YES we do learn something new everyday, and that is the awesome thing about a forum like this. So lets skip this nonscence and move on
THANX

 

[ROB L]

Oh also just to clear up the source of this motor;


This is not just a private seller that kept it in the back of his garage, they (seller) are actually a supplier of motors for Fleet vechicles, and the rep. stated that the motors are stored in a climate controlled enviroment. The warrany is 12mths / 12,000 miles.

 

[SHOfun 93]

**** dude, I would do the same thing as you Rob if I had the funds available. Good EXTREMELY RARE find, and good luck on a long problem free life. thumb