Is My SHO dead?

[Zeptoplix]

Okay, so tonight Im on my way home from work at like 4 in the morning. I check the oil before I leave so I go to the gas station to get gas, and oil... I add a quart, check the coolant, everythings good.

About half way home just after I turned i was maybe in third gear. I wasn't driving the **** out of my car at all, I hadn't at all today. So all of a sudden I hear these clicking sounds coming from the engine like its stalling, so I shut the car off right away, coast to a stop. I tried to restart it, it kinda sorta turned over, but didn't. Got out checked the oil, it was fine, I was getting heat at the time, so there is coolant, but now when I try and start the car, all you hear is the starter trying to turn the engine and thats it, it just stops. So I have no clue. If one of the chains broke it would still turn over wouldn't it? What if I spun a rod bearing, would it still turn over? It doesn't move AT ALL. The electrical system is fine as far as I know, I was getting 14.3 volts or so at the time, after i shut the car off, the battery wasn't discharge. any remote chance this won't cost thousands to fix? Im assuming its done for, and at this point in time i think it maybe time for me to hang up my taurus keys for good. I've had some bad luck with them, but i keep tryin to give em a chance. anywho, what do you think?

Is she dead? shrug

 

[SHO SPD]

sounds like the motor siezed. If the battery isnt low, and it will hardly turn, thats probably what it would do.

 

[Zeptoplix]

No the battery is fully charged (12.5v) and the engine does not turn over at all. You can hear the starter start, but the engine doesn't turn over. Why would the engine just sieze... Do the SHO oilpumps just go like that? I mean its only got like 220,000kms... My old taurus had close to 400,000 (regular L) and no problem like this.

 

[Slo-Sho]

Put the car in 5th gear with one wheel off the ground. You look in the oil filler hole to see if the cams are moving while someone turns the drive wheel.

<small>[ September 13, 2003, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Slo-Sho ]</small>

 

[SHO--ripper]

Check to see if there are any codes. Also change your oil and see if there is a lot of metal in it. Hopefully there isn't. Did you alway change your oil on time? Did you notice a loud knocking before the car seized?

 

[projectSHO89]

Zeptoplix:
No the battery is fully charged (12.5v) and the engine does not turn over at all. You can hear the starter start, but the engine doesn't turn over.

please be specific as to your symptom. "Doesn't turn over" can mean different things to different people.

Use either "Won't Crank" or "Cranks but does not fire" to describe youe exact symprom.

Steve

 

[pjtoledo]

Zeptoplix:
Okay, so tonight Im on my way home from work at like 4 in the morning. I check the oil before I leave so I go to the gas station to get gas, and oil... I add a quart, check the coolant, everythings good.

Were you having problems with excessive oil consumption?? Not many people check their oil at 4 in the morning.


Perry

 

[Zeptoplix]

Well I work nights and I usually get off around 3:30 on friday nights so I checked the oil and such.

Wont turn over, or won't crank, by this I mean there is no rotation of the engine period. Engaging the starter does nothing but make noise like its going up against a stationary object.

I missed one oil change by 4000kms in fact I had planned on changing the oil the day after this happened.

There was no loud knocking or anything, everything seemed "normal" there was no pinging, hesiation, strange noises at all untill I heard that grinding or what ever way to describe that kind of noise. (horrible i guess when you hear it and your 100kms from home)

I was wondering if maybe one of my main bearings was to bind up, like if it shifted a lil bit could that cause it to sieze right up (is that even possibble)?

I have tuesday off maybe i will fool around with it then. Im thinking it may just cost too much to repair, ya know what i mean, although I maybe able to get another engine cheap, we'll see.

 

[pjtoledo]

Sounds like your engine is gone. Unless maybe the clutch blew up and jammed inside the bell housing or something. If you put a wrench on the crank bolt will the engine turn backwards? Take the spark plugs out and have a look down the holes. You can see a lot with a probe style light.

Perry

<small>[ September 15, 2003, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: pjtoledo ]</small>

 

[Zeptoplix]

Well I think it is unlikely that there is a transmission problem causing this, I replaced the clutch in may/june, and the car was shifting fine, it wasn't notchy or anything. And today I got some good news, a local engine rebuilder can't rebuild it because they don't make all the parts for it anymore!! grr frown

 

[Zeptoplix]

Okay today I actually went outside and looked at the car more thoroughly, I drained the oil, nothing abnormal, ran a magnet around in it, didn't seem to pick up and shavings/flakes. I jacked the car up and put it in 5th gear, tried turning the wheel forward and I couldn't move it. Upon trying to turn it backwards I could move it may 1/2 way around ( the wheel). I put a socket on the crank pully, but I couldn't turn the engine eitherway. I was going to try and loosen the accessories belt, but I think the tensioner is siezed up. So I guess the engine is dead. frown

 

[havier]

this is just a thought but is there anyway that the car had overheated?Maybe the thermostat got stuck?just a thought

 

[Zeptoplix]

No I don't think it overheated, all the guages seemed normal like i said. I was getting heat and everything. oh well. I've got to establish a game plan now.

 

[MOSHO92]

If the engine were to seize wouldnt it just seize while he was driving. He said that it made some clicking noises so he turned it off (good idea). Nobody has metioned that it could be the starter...

I would see if i could get a freind to push my car down the road, then i would pop the clutch. If the engine is seriously seized up then you will know.

 

[edmontonsho]

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[Zeptoplix]

I think it is very unlikely that it is the starter, the starter is less than 3 months old, and I haven't done anything drastic like starting it in gear, or more than 2-5 times a day , if that. usually its on my way home or to work.

Im going to pull off the intake and the valve covers tomorrow I hope, see how things look there, then when I havem ore time I will try and pull the oil pan to see if anything looks bad. Every thing that seems to be apossibility seems to be impossible.

#1 A Broken Road or spun rod bearing. The was no knocking or ticking or loping like there was in my old car before it suffered a rod failure, and if it was a rod bearing it would still turn over right?

#2 A main bearing siezed up or spun. The car had the proper amount of oil in at the time, which seems a lil farfetched of a problem.

#3 The oilpump failed. There was no warning, my idiot lite did not illuminate (even tho its toast when it does anyways) it did not light, so that seems a lil farfetched too.

#4 A rod broke or siezed and gouged into the cylinder wall. Possible, but there weren't any shavings in the oil that I could see.

It just doesn't seem to add up, know what i mean?

 

[Zeptoplix]

Okay so this afternoon I tried my most recent theory of why my car broke down. I was thinking if one of the chains broke it would jam up causing the engine to seem seized. Well upon removing the upperintake and the valve covers, those seem to be intact. So Im back to square one. In the next couple days im going to try and take the oil pan off.