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tech10002

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It is not blaming the issue on tc, there are two different issues, if your vehicle is hitting a limiter that is more than likely tc needing to be turned off but not for everyone this is why we came up with a few updates since then. The issue that desires the fuel pump is when the rpms climb and then stops climbing All of the sudden before the shift, bouncing the limiter has nothing to do with the fuel pressure issue but regardless we have made a few updates since then that have taken care of many people's issues

Have you even read through all these threads? My concern is not when it missed a shift and truly was bouncing off the rev limiter. I will concede that was an aberration and could be traction control related. What I’m talking about is the shuddering and dangerously low fuel pressure that I’ve had from the very beginning and just confirmed with this log. I emailed Anthony last Thursday about my concerns and sent a log screenshot and haven’t heard anything back.

What nobody there will seem to acknowledge is that v11 and derivatives of v11 is NOT working well on more than just a few customers’ cars. It’s insulting to our intellgence to blame everything but the tune and just bulldoze saying how many hundreds of cars are having no problems and you’ve never heard of this issue, how safe your tunes are, never had an issue with your own SHOs, etc. That is clearly not the case. There are quite a few with this issue, and I think it’s established that running with these fuel pressures is not safe, and the hesitation and shuddering while passing can be downright dangerous while driving. It’s very unnerving to have the car fall on its face and hesitate when you’re on a narrow country road with short passing zones and a blind curve coming up. I don’t feel like I’m being listened to as a customer and I am not happy, as are others. If the problem is truly just limited to relatively few cars, instead of arguing with the few customers who are upset and trying to convince them everything is fine, wouldn’t it make more sense to just graciously offer a return and move on. I have asked Anthony multiple times by email and on the phone that if you couldn’t resolve the drivability issues to please offer an RMA and not once have I gotten a straight answer.

If you can provide a tune that will give the power levels you advertise on your website without the fuel pressure dropping dangerously low and causing drivability issues and without having to do other mods, great. If not, I just want my money back. Is that too much to ask?
 

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Really no response back, very odd customer service there is usually spot on. Maybe they are fixing the issue and don’t want to keep telling u somthing u don’t want to hear. Until it it solved. Idk
 

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Really no response back, very odd customer service there is usually spot on. Maybe they are fixing the issue and don’t want to keep telling u somthing u don’t want to hear. Until it it solved. Idk

I haven’t heard anything from them in over a week and have given up getting this resolved amicably. They could fix this issue so easily by just giving all of us having these fuel pressure related issues the v10 tune that multiple members have stated did not have problems on their cars. Anyway, I am obviously on their sh*t list and wouldn’t want it now if they offered. I have returned to stock so I don’t destroy my car and am trying to get them to accept a return by other means. I may try tuning again later with other vendors. I just have a bad taste from this experience and am done with tuning for now. I won’t say anymore, and probably have already said enough to get banned considering they’re a forum sponsor.
 

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I haven’t heard anything from them in over a week and have given up getting this resolved amicably. They could fix this issue so easily by just giving all of us having these fuel pressure related issues the v10 tune that multiple members have stated did not have problems on their cars. Anyway, I am obviously on their sh*t list and wouldn’t want it now if they offered. I have returned to stock so I don’t destroy my car and am trying to get them to accept a return by other means. I may try tuning again later with other vendors. I just have a bad taste from this experience and am done with tuning for now. I won’t say anymore, and probably have already said enough to get banned considering they’re a forum sponsor.

First things first, regardless if they are a forum sponsor or not, you should not be banned. You have a legitimate concern and lack of clarity is damning.

Second, don't let a bad experience sour your wants in performance of your SHO.

These are the reasons I went with AJPTurbo over everyone else. I did my research over months and AJPTurbo kept sticking out. Everyone that has his tunes, loves his tunes, and they flat out work. Brad works with you hand and hand. He is also quick to respond and willing to explain the tuning process. He is open to listening to what I want and my goals with the car. We are going to start working on a e54 tune once it warms up.

The SCT devices that other tuners are good. Are they best? The jury is out. Do they do everything I need? Yep. I am a gauge whore. I like to see everything in real time. My LiveWire allows me to do this. It is can be tailored to my wants and needs. It holds 10 tunes (I have 7 currently on my LiveWire from a stock 3 bar to my wild E30 tune). Yes I said stock 3 bar. No matter where I am, I have a tune depending on fuel availability.

Data logging is a must for me. I want the information. I have owned a bunch of turbo cars ranging from 220 hp (my daily beater) to my 800 hp twin turbo 370 LS Camaro. I have always been able to datalog and see what is happening and work with my tuner. I am also lucky to have a ton of desert and open road to run my logs.

LMS has their place. For the average SHO owner that wants a bit more out their vehicle, they are the go to source for plug and play. I get it, there are more plug and play customers then "datalog seeking, tweek my tune, I want more, ect...customers". It seems that V11 is having issues. There seems to be many variables, however the V11 tune is the consistent factor. I have seen a couple logs, and I would be concerned if I had a V11 tune in my personal car. In my observation LMS seems to be moving away from a vested interest in the SHO. As a large business I understand.

If I didn't use AJPTurbo, I would definitely consider Matt with Gearhead.
 

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I've been here a long time and banning people for questions regarding a forum sponsor is not going to get you banned. If you harass people, or refuse to de-escalate heated posts repeatedly when a moderator steps in to maintain this as a place where people want to remain as members, those are the things that I've seen people get banned over. This vendor stuff is deja vu for old timers here. Been a while but not the first rodeo in this general area. Just try and keep it factual and respectful.
 

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In my observation LMS seems to be moving away from a vested interest in the SHO. As a large business I understand.
I think this is part of the issue. Personally I am seriously considering moving to another tuner even without some of the issues others are having.
 

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I think this is part of the issue. Personally I am seriously considering moving to another tuner even without some of the issues others are having.

I’m not sure that’s the case TBH. I know they are actively developing new stuff... in the past 18 months we have direct port meth and the new HPFP both of which are heavily developed.

I think the issue is honestly the V11 tune pushes the cars fuel system and additional components to the upper limits.

The stuttering on the 1-2 shift is a known issue... The missed shifts is being worked on....


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I’m not sure that’s the case TBH. I know they are actively developing new stuff... in the past 18 months we have direct port meth and the new HPFP both of which are heavily developed.

I think the issue is honestly the V11 tune pushes the cars fuel system and additional components to the upper limits.

The stuttering on the 1-2 shift is a known issue... The missed shifts is being worked on....


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Are you missing the shift in sport mode and if so have you tried normal mode?

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Are you missing the shift in sport mode and if so have you tried normal mode?

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Mine shifts a little funny in sport mode takes a lil to get into third but it does shift if you let off slightly. Why do u think that is. This is in a soft shift tune only, regular v11 tune have had no issues
 

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Mine shifts a little funny in sport mode takes a lil to get into third but it does shift if you let off slightly. Why do u think that is. This is in a soft shift tune only, regular v11 tune have had no issues
Soft shift? No telling, but there is a fine line between soft shift and slipping a shift..

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Have you even read through all these threads? My concern is not when it missed a shift and truly was bouncing off the rev limiter. I will concede that was an aberration and could be traction control related. What I’m talking about is the shuddering and dangerously low fuel pressure that I’ve had from the very beginning and just confirmed with this log. I emailed Anthony last Thursday about my concerns and sent a log screenshot and haven’t heard anything back.

What nobody there will seem to acknowledge is that v11 and derivatives of v11 is NOT working well on more than just a few customers’ cars. It’s insulting to our intellgence to blame everything but the tune and just bulldoze saying how many hundreds of cars are having no problems and you’ve never heard of this issue, how safe your tunes are, never had an issue with your own SHOs, etc. That is clearly not the case. There are quite a few with this issue, and I think it’s established that running with these fuel pressures is not safe, and the hesitation and shuddering while passing can be downright dangerous while driving. It’s very unnerving to have the car fall on its face and hesitate when you’re on a narrow country road with short passing zones and a blind curve coming up. I don’t feel like I’m being listened to as a customer and I am not happy, as are others. If the problem is truly just limited to relatively few cars, instead of arguing with the few customers who are upset and trying to convince them everything is fine, wouldn’t it make more sense to just graciously offer a return and move on. I have asked Anthony multiple times by email and on the phone that if you couldn’t resolve the drivability issues to please offer an RMA and not once have I gotten a straight answer.

If you can provide a tune that will give the power levels you advertise on your website without the fuel pressure dropping dangerously low and causing drivability issues and without having to do other mods, great. If not, I just want my money back. Is that too much to ask?
Really the only solution for these vehicles is pulling back power which we can do, some companies will command less fuel pressure at higher rpms, but this is just a band aid and not an overall fix for this, in cold weather on the stock HPFP this is just the result of stock HPFP's not able to handle the proper fuel pressure required to function properly, i own a 2015 taurus sho with similar mods to all of you, and i can go out all day and night and make a pull from 0mph all the way to 140 and experience no issues at all rather it is a dead stop launch or on the higher and i hammer the pedal i never experience any issue with our V11 tune, its hard to fix something remotely, so without actually having a car here with this issue there is only so much we can do to provide a better tune for this weather without being hands on but i assure you we are not forgetting about this issue and we are doing everything we can, holidays obviously slow this down but we are currently working for an end result fix for this. Like we have said many times before there is no 100% way to fix this on the stock HPFP, it is just a band aid as this is fuel related, when you run out of fuel on any build you upgrade components and this should be seen as no different. In the cold weather these fuel systems are over stressed even on minor bolt ons and there is no full "fix" for this issue besides upgrading components

In my observation LMS seems to be moving away from a vested interest in the SHO. As a large business I understand.

I assure you this is not the case, the SHO is a platform that we strive to release new updates on as much as possible and is definitely not something we are pushing away, we still currently do work on many SHO's around the country and do our best to release new products and updates to the parts we use for these vehicles as we can.
 

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Really the only solution for these vehicles is pulling back power which we can do, some companies will command less fuel pressure at higher rpms, but this is just a band aid and not an overall fix for this, in cold weather on the stock HPFP this is just the result of stock HPFP's not able to handle the proper fuel pressure required to function properly, i own a 2015 taurus sho with similar mods to all of you, and i can go out all day and night and make a pull from 0mph all the way to 140 and experience no issues at all rather it is a dead stop launch or on the higher and i hammer the pedal i never experience any issue with our V11 tune, its hard to fix something remotely, so without actually having a car here with this issue there is only so much we can do to provide a better tune for this weather without being hands on but i assure you we are not forgetting about this issue and we are doing everything we can, holidays obviously slow this down but we are currently working for an end result fix for this. Like we have said many times before there is no 100% way to fix this on the stock HPFP, it is just a band aid as this is fuel related, when you run out of fuel on any build you upgrade components and this should be seen as no different. In the cold weather these fuel systems are over stressed even on minor bolt ons and there is no full "fix" for this issue besides upgrading components



I assure you this is not the case, the SHO is a platform that we strive to release new updates on as much as possible and is definitely not something we are pushing away, we still currently do work on many SHO's around the country and do our best to release new products and updates to the parts we use for these vehicles as we can.

Now I’m really confused, are you saying some cars might have fuel pressure issues? Some might not? I will concede that a upgraded HFPF will fix all the fuel pressure issues but I was under the impression that you guys had a tune with or without an upgraded HPFP. One would assume that a tune without a HPFP would be safe? Would command less fuel pressure to work within the stock limits? Is this not the case? I know your tuning device can’t datalog so how do you guys update the tunes to make them better? Are you basing everything off 1 vehicle? I haven’t had an issue with my tune but would like some piece of mind that fuel pressure isn’t dipping dangerously low.
 

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Depending on how they are writing the tune, there is a simple way to "clip" the max load so it doesn't over-tax the fuel system no matter what the ambient temp. Although there would be a ton more headroom if they leaned it out just a bit. There is no reason to run these direct injection engines so rich if the fuel system is in balance cylinder to cylinder....

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Soft shift? No telling, but there is a fine line between soft shift and slipping a shift..

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Matt, I've been running your AO tune for three days and love it. Can I expect any different results moving the shifter to 'S' on my non-PP car? It hasn't made any difference with my past tune. Thanks
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