It’s interesting to be told I’m “losing” by someone who hasn’t demonstrated any technical contribution to compare against.
Setting the Record Straight and 802 SHO Has a Problem with Me
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If Matt’s customer base ever changes, that’s not on me — that’s on his own public behavior. He’s been asked the same direct question since before Thanksgiving and has repeatedly danced around answering it. That pattern is visible to everyone, not something I created.
I wasn’t trying to be mean when I pointed out that you didn’t really have the technical depth to engage on the topic. I honestly thought it was a little funny because Matt hasn’t technically proven me wrong at all — not once, not ever — yet his posts were getting likes as if they had. That naturally made me curious whether people were following the mechanics or just the confidence.
So yes, I questioned you to see if there was any real substance there or if it was just cheerleading. That wasn’t an attack, and it wasn’t personal. It was a reality check. And that’s all it turned out to be.
As far as “cooking” Matt goes, that was never the objective. I’ve spoken in terms of facts, physics, and real engine behavior the entire time. If his smoke-and-mirror approach dazzles people, that’s fine — it doesn’t change the underlying reality.
Moving forward, if Matt loses credibility or business, that’s a consequence of what he chooses to say and not say in public. I didn’t invent anything here. I just refused to accept half-answers presented as expertise.
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Again your assuming a lot. People liking post doesn't have to mean they agree or disagree. Could simply be a hey I was here and saw this thing. It's not a question if you where trying to be mean or not. I wasn't the only one to notice it but because you assumed I was on a side that doesn't exist because of a liked post you attacked my knowledge and wanted to let me know you know more then I do when it was already stated I couldn't contribute technically and again if Im technical or not how does that prove cheerleading? You say there's no side but are quick to draw a line and decide who's on what side of the line. I'm just saying if you are right why not humor him and advance the conversation instead of drawing imaginary lines and deciding who's on who's side and starting arguments. Prove him wrong. Not technically but actually. Your already here spending the time anyways right? Since you wouldn't humor him I decided to try and see where I'm at technically. You should look at the post and contribute.
You miss the point entirely. He can’t prove me wrong. About everything I said debating physics and his lack of proper meth tuning. This is not the original thread this is a spawn of nonsense aimed to trap someone like yourself into believing his bs. I have no real quarrel with you. I was just pointing out you’re essentially follow a trail of horseshit lit on fire written by Matt Robinson. It’s all good man. Do you, follow who you want and believe what you want. Me personally, it’s physics and science + Matt already confiding in me last year he doesn’t tune for meth, that’s the best part…this show isn’t for me it’s for the casual clueless member.
I ain’t shit. Just a guy, listening to his own intuition, finding out for himself what the limits are. Learning and researching not to posture but to understand things correctly. Trying new things and sharing what works and even what doesn’t. Success and failure. Transparency. Every time I get sick of Matt and Keith’s BS methanol nonsense and speak up…it’s over in the Wild West FB land. Last year I got sick of it and dropped truth and Matt reached out and that’s when he actually admitted he doesn’t tune for meth. Business Liability he says…ok cool whatever fool the newbies on FB..nice. Then this year Keith and his nonsense “Meth on a daily driver isn’t worth it”. Yeah ok boss how’s that? Then I drop a truth bomb “Any tuner who knows their head from their ass tunes for meth.”
Then I get the DM’s again. Keith, “Are you okay?” I’m like, “Yeah I’m great?” Like a worried Aunt. Says I sound like a dick. I said what did I say that sounds like a dick?
Then he’s like, “You’re talking shit.” I’m like, “Really? If truth is talking shit you guys spreading BS is the real talking shit.”
Then Matt chimes in, “You don’t understand.” Crowd control for GH FB group.
Ok MFKER, I make a dedicated set the Record Straight thread. I’m just a regular person with a passion for cars, performance and correct mechanical understanding.
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mattr66usa
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You keep spouting this stuff without any parameters.. are you trying to tune your own car? All I hear from you is "stuff needs to change". But I can tell you don't know what that "stuff" is because you can't articulate anything in the technical threads where I am actually spelling it out for you... I understand how to make these cars do what I want, but do you? I'm gladly giving you the evidence my method works, but you aren't getting any trade secrets from me....
mattr66usa
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What I told you is that "I make the tune accommodate meth flowing or not and I don't like tuning the meth to be required unless the customer knows the risks involved" I have never deviated from this stance and because of your lack of understanding in your mind, it translated to "GH doesn't tune for meth". I can't help how you interpret what I say because I've repeated the same factual information now multiple times and it has yet to sink in. I tried to engage you with the facts on how the tuning works with examples with real data and you refuse to engage. You needing to be right about this subject is hurting your ability to assimilate information that is different than the way you thought things work.
Seriously?
mattr66usa
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I'm trying to go down a path of logic, but go ahead and answer for him. What airflow going through the engine is changing when you inject methanol?
Or to continue the conversation let's just state:
Methanol (CH₃OH) is a fuel, not an oxidizer.
It does contain oxygen chemically, but that oxygen does not increase the amount of air flowing through the engine and the accompanying effective fuel more than offsets the chemical oxygen being injected.
If this was not the case, you wouldn't see the O2 sensors REMOVING fuel from the mixture if injected blindly over the top of an existing tune.
The engine still ingests air based on pressure, temperature, and volumetric efficiency.
So there’s no direct “extra airflow” from meth itself and this is the point I was trying to make.
Now, let's talk about the secondary effect... Charge Cooling..... So you get a change in airmass especially in the intake manifold where the LHoV is cooling from the chemical bonds and the change of state. This is not the same thing as airflow but does change the total oxygen mass moving through the engine. However, you are adding fuel at the same time (the methanol itself) and more so than the extra airmass needs because once again it is more fuel than the engine needs for proper combustion otherwise the O2 sensors would be ADDING FUEL, but they aren't. The O2 sensors are ALWAYS subtracting fuel when methanol is flowing when main fuel has not been removed from the mix.
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