A quick oil question for you rod bearing guys

[jedhead]

Old-time SHO folks will remember the 32 WHP that Borla got for the original SHO Borla catback system. Yes "dyno proven"!!!!!!!

I guess I am old because I remember that 32hp mod. I even met Tom Wilson and infamous SHO with 32hp Borla Exhaust at one of my first SHO Registry meetings. Even Tom was embarassed by that debacle.

Bob

 

[Russsho]

Heh, I remember that and Ted's claim that the BOS plus cams would easily make over 300 horsepower.

 

[RonPorter]

I guess I am old because I remember that 32hp mod. I even met Tom Wilson and infamous SHO with 32hp Borla Exhaust at one of my first SHO Registry meetings. Even Tom was embarassed by that debacle.

Bob

Apart from the 32 HP claim (which was probably like 3.2 WHP..same as any other catback system), folks who bought the pricey Borla way back when (and I know of one off the top of my head) have gotten their money's worth with the Lifetime Warranty.

Same as when I got my Lifetime Warranty window tint and sunroof on the '89 back in '89. Around '97, the rear window bubbled, and the sunroof frame leaked. Both fixed by Ziebart for free.

 

[jedhead]

Lifetime warranty can be a double edge sword I found out. When my radiator fan clutch went bad, I bought a lifetime warranty clutch from Cheif Auto. After bleeding on my radiator fins to replace the lifetime clutch for the third time, I bought an OEM Toyota clutch for twice the price. That was on case where a 50% savings was not worth my blood and time. I always look at lifetime warranties with a some skeptism. I am going to need some lifetime warranty soon on my 8 year old konis soon I think.

Bob

 

[RonPorter]

Lifetime warranty can be a double edge sword I found out. When my radiator fan clutch went bad, I bought a lifetime warranty clutch from Cheif Auto. After bleeding on my radiator fins to replace the lifetime clutch for the third time, I bought an OEM Toyota clutch for twice the price. That was on case where a 50% savings was not worth my blood and time. I always look at lifetime warranties with a some skeptism. I am going to need some lifetime warranty soon on my 8 year old konis soon I think.

Bob

Good point.

FWIW the "Lifetime Warranties" on Konis and Tokicos are absolutely worthless. You need all of the documentation, will have to leave the car out-of-service while you wait for the parts, as well as having them determine if your problem is covered by warranty.

If you need to use the car and can't have it laid up 2-3 weeks, buy another set and play the "swap game".

 

[jedhead]

Good point.

FWIW the "Lifetime Warranties" on Konis and Tokicos are absolutely worthless. You need all of the documentation, will have to leave the car out-of-service while you wait for the parts, as well as having them determine if your problem is covered by warranty.

If you need to use the car and can't have it laid up 2-3 weeks, buy another set and play the "swap game".

Hmmm. I will just wait until summer when I do the 3.2 swap. Fortunately I have another car to drive. Thanks for the heads up.
I know....I can really mess with them and ask for warranty repairs on my 25 year old konis off my 240Z.

Bob

 

[yamapowered]

well I use Amsoil and I have become a dealer for Amsoil and just that fact anyone should stay away from this product cause it isnt any better than conventional oil.

its real simple I see now anyone who sells a product they use stay away.

and to the one who drives his car for one minute at -30temps
{quote}Key thing is that I absolutely don't believe the statement about "a quality synthetic motor oil wont (sic) create sludge". The "80-hour" test is bogus, as once ANY oil is hot, the sludge-creating contaminants are burned off. Sludge is from contaminants that aren't burned off, and NO oil is immune to that{quote}

you cant confirm that statement,
sludge comes from conventinal oil flash point temp
and some contaminants come from short trips.
but most sludge comes from conventional oil low
flash point temp and its unability to withstand
high temperatures for long duration.

earlier post I said Amsoil lasted 80 hour duration
continuous which is true but what I intentionally
left out is that thats the point where conventional oil
turned to sludge and could not continue and
Amsoil continued on for a continuous run time of 240 hours
in a 3.8 GM v-6

but dont believe that Im just A KOOLAID drinker
my 19 years of mechanical experience dosent matter either.

oh I just got in the mail from AMSOIL my monthly news magazine
they now have an oil filter that I can use for a full year or 25thousand miles
geez koolaid taste good!!
Javier

 

[SHOtimer]

well I use Amsoil and I have become a dealer for Amsoil and just that fact anyone should stay away from this product cause it isnt any better than conventional oil.

its real simple I see now anyone who sells a product they use stay away.

and to the one who drives his car for one minute at -30temps
{quote}Key thing is that I absolutely don't believe the statement about "a quality synthetic motor oil wont (sic) create sludge". The "80-hour" test is bogus, as once ANY oil is hot, the sludge-creating contaminants are burned off. Sludge is from contaminants that aren't burned off, and NO oil is immune to that{quote}

you cant confirm that statement,
sludge comes from conventinal oil flash point temp
and some contaminants come from short trips.
but most sludge comes from conventional oil low
flash point temp and its unability to withstand
high temperatures for long duration.

earlier post I said Amsoil lasted 80 hour duration
continuous which is true but what I intentionally
left out is that thats the point where conventional oil
turned to sludge and could not continue and
Amsoil continued on for a continuous run time of 240 hours
in a 3.8 GM v-6

but dont believe that Im just A KOOLAID drinker
my 19 years of mechanical experience dosent matter either.

oh I just got in the mail from AMSOIL my monthly news magazine
they now have an oil filter that I can use for a full year or 25thousand miles
geez koolaid taste good!!
Javier

I think that it would be beneficial for everybody if every thread didn't turn into a billboard for AMSoil. The original intent of every thread this discussion has started in has been lost. Ok, we know you sell it, stand by it, and like it.

Now can we be done?

Doug

 

[jedhead]

You have a point Doug. I did a quick search of posts by Javier and 10 out 12 I looked were basically Amsoil advertisements. I am also on other forums and I have seen more hit and run posts pushing Amsoil than all other products put together times 3.
Local speed shop here has Amsoil stuff on the shelf along with Redline and Royal Purple too.

Bob

 

[yamapowered]

It seems that you seem to just repeat, repeat, and repeat. You like AMSoil, great, fabulous, and you had worn rod bearings, but of course that wasn't the oils fault, because the oil is gold.

Besides that fact - I'm not sure on the rules of this forum, but every other 'dealer' or person who owns a business and does business on this forum pays for it.... It seems to me that you just like to do a lot of advertising in these discussions.

Doug

I believe you are the one of a few here that has went off the original topic
to bash my post. not my fault you want to discredit my experience and blame me for going off topic, why dont you use your own advice?
you advertise your product and bash mine thats real intelligent.
Javier

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

I believe you are the one of a few here that has went off the original topic
to bash my post.

YOUR post ALONE got this off topic.

I agree 100% that these threads need to NOT become a advertisement for Amsoil.

 

[yamapowered]

hey i was just wondering for all of you guys that have changed their rod bearings, when you pulled them out did you see wear, and what kind of oil have you been running in your car? Thanks, i'm just conducting my own survey of sorts to see which oils work better.

way off topic here! changed rod bearings, done that. and what kind of oil, done that too.

you people are like cry babies

lets get back to the subject here, 32 wheel horse power from borla exhaust
Javier

 

[SHOtimer]

I believe you are the one of a few here that has went off the original topic
to bash my post. not my fault you want to discredit my experience and blame me for going off topic, why dont you use your own advice?
you advertise your product and bash mine thats real intelligent.
Javier

Actually, if you go back and read my post, which you quoted, you will find that I am not adverising a product. (Also, let the record show that I don't sell anything.)

So, actually what you are doing here is simply creating a strawman argument. Meaning that you have to create a false version of my argument to destroy because you can't/won't address my real argument.

I am not discrediting your experience.

My first point was that you are making every one of your posts a billboard for AMSoil (which jedhead also noticed). My second point was that their are sponsors that pay to keep this forum running, and hey if you want to become one that is great, but untill then lets not turn these threads into commercials for AMSoil.

Now, lets let this post get back to its point and let people (read: other people) share their experiences.

Doug

 

[yamapowered]

Actually, if you go back and read my post, which you quoted, you will find that I am not adverising a product. (Also, let the record show that I don't sell anything.)

So, actually what you are doing here is simply creating a strawman argument. Meaning that you have to create a false version of my argument to destroy because you can't/won't address my real argument.

I am not discrediting your experience.

My first point was that you are making every one of your posts a billboard for AMSoil (which jedhead also noticed). My second point was that their are sponsors that pay to keep this forum running, and hey if you want to become one that is great, but untill then lets not turn these threads into commercials for AMSoil.

Now, lets let this post get back to its point and let people (read: other people) share their experiences.

Doug

you are not advertising castrol GTX?
I havent advertised on this site to sell Amsoil,
I just said I sell this oil, not on this site or any site
and with you guys here making sure that you disagree
with my experience with the lubricant I choose, there
is little chance anyone would ask me any info about Amsoil.
with all the comotion it brings.

I can ask the ones who question my experience, have you used Amsoil and deemed it not worth using? or are you just voicing your proffessinal opinion on the subject?

anyway this is the last I post on this thread about this
this is like being in the white house now a days who is right
and who is lying?
Javier

 

[SHOtimer]

you are not advertising castrol GTX?
I havent advertised on this site to sell Amsoil,
I just said I sell this oil, not on this site or any site
and with you guys here making sure that you disagree
with my experience with the lubricant I choose, there
is little chance anyone would ask me any info about Amsoil.
with all the comotion it brings.

I can ask the ones who question my experience, have you used Amsoil and deemed it not worth using? or are you just voicing your proffessinal opinion on the subject?

anyway this is the last I post on this thread about this
this is like being in the white house now a days who is right
and who is lying?
Javier

1. I am not/was not advertising GTX I simply said that out of 142k (total motor mileage) I used GTX for the 20k that I had the car, and stated how much wear the bearings showed. That was all I said. That was all that spazmoid asked for.

2. I didn't question your experience, and I did not comment on the quality of the oil. I was simply stating that this forum is not a place to advertise a product, which you seem to be doing in numerous threads.

Doug

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

"Don't mess with me cause I'll continue to argue with you over the internet"

 

[cub 1947]

Doug, A lot of us will second that motion, "Yamahapowered": would sell, oa lot more Amslop if he did not fill every thread remotely mentioning oil with full page epistles that slam anything that competes with his product. Give it a break.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Alright folks, time to stop the arguing.

The debate over which oil is "best" will rage as long as it's used to lubricate internal combustion engines, and nothing anybody says here is going to resolve that issue.

Everybody is going to have their own personal preference, and that's great. Go with whatever oil you think is best.

Just don't argue about it here anymore.

 

[Bizzy]

For my 91 after the bearings were changed I used nothing but Motorcraft oil. I haven't changed the bearings since but would anticipate good results given the frequency of oil changes since then.

The 93 was on Mobil 1 all it's life but just prior to me getting it, it was switched to another brand for it's trip to Michigan from Arizona, I don't remember what was in it. Since I've had it I've used Castrol GTX High mileage. There are many who rave about the quality of Castrol GTX and I tend to agree with them after I've seen many photos of many good results from bearing changes and clean valve galleries. Seems to me that if the galleries stay that clean then more than likely the oil pan will be cleaner as well.

Now in regards to which oil is "the best", I have similar views as some of you guys but there is a twist as well to that view. Frequency is number one IMO. If you want your engine to stay clean you have to get the crap out of there often. I've seen some cars that have used identical "quality" oil and some of them have been filthy inside and some have been pristine. The difference in weather conditions, driving conditions, driving habits and also small debris from the road that eventually get sucked into the engine also have an effect on how the engine oil will look. If you are driving down in Texas for instance, those guys don't see the harsh driving conditions that we do up north in the rust belt. Their roads aren't salted and that I think plays a huge roll in how dirty oil gets.

Now you might question why I just mention salt and road debris and how in the h-e-double toothpicks is that going to make a difference in how your oil looks. Anybody ever drive up here in Michigan during the winter? When the roads are salted and after they dry sometimes the roads are so white it looks like a beach in Bermuda it's so white. That stuff turns into a literal salt dust storm as cars drive over it and all that crap gets sucked into your airbox and works into the small nooks and crannies of the engine. Where does it go from your airbox? Into the motor. Sand and other fine debris also make it into the motor ESPECIALLY if you use a K&N filter, thus why I went back to the good old fashioned paper filters. Evidence of how harsh northern winters are on cars is evident also when you open the hood of an SHO; the intake, valve covers and everything else is literally coated with crap....and you'd have to be stupid to think that some of that doesn't actually make it inside the motor. That's part of why since my 3.2 was put in that I religiously changed the oil with only 2500 miles on it. Can I prove how much crap gets in there? Absolutely not. But I do feel that it will make a difference in the long run and that my 3.2 motor will be healthy and clean for many years to come and that makes ME feel good and makes ME confident even if others think it sounds stupid or like overkill.

As for oil change places....people really shouldn't knock all of them. I know first hand that some of those places really do care about the health of your car. My son works at one as an assistant manager at one chain while he's saving up for college. I can't speak for all of them but his particular store goes above and beyond IMO to make sure that the cars they work on stay healthy.

Castrol, Penzoil, Amsoil, Mobil 1, Royal Purple....whatever floats your boat I say. Given that driving conditions are different and driving habits of each individual drivers is different for each and every one of these cars I think it's difficult at best to pinpoint exactly which one is the "absolute" best oil. As I suggest with transmission fluid, try a fluid for 2500 miles and if you don't like it, change it. Try a different one until you find the "best" oil for you and your car. No 2 cars are going to be the same and THAT IS absolute fact.

 

[SeanMc]

I personally use Catrol GTX High Mileage on my rebuilt engine.