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I understand. I just thought that since the pipe is shipped in pieces, it would be easy to throw in an extra piece. I'd be willing to pay a little extra if that is what it comes down to.

I may be hacking mine up if it makes you feel any better. After checking under the car, I noticed.. gee I have no collector anywhere on my exhaust. Y pipe and catback are one solid piece. So I can't straight bolt mine on, it'll have to be fabbed up to a new catback at the same time (hello unexpected full exhaust!).

I was even debating cutting the ****** and fabbing up true duals, but I probably wont go that route. It hasn't been taken off the possibility list though :rofl:
 

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in all seriousness if you whent straight 2.25 duals and just bent them once at like a 45 degree angle to side exit before the rear wheel... you'd probably have the highest flowing setup around........ of course depending on muffler..... some say 2" piping would even be best.........

if I ever get a wild hair up my ass I'm going to chop off the collector, and chop off the resonator on my Borla catback... the resonator is a 1 into 2 setup... so I would then run the rear downpipe on the y ippe to the passenger side tailpipe, and the front downpipe to the driver side tailpipe... getting it more equal length...... I think this would be loud and raspy tho.... but sure as **** be unique and sound different
 

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I'd want to jump on the headers if it ever gets to 15 ppl. I take it the mid pipes you'll be selling are for the longtubes or will we need to fab something up? The MTX I'm picking up next week has a performance plus catted y pipe and a stainless borla exhaust so I guess I'd have to chop the mid pipe or just weld one up myself?
 
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HEADERS UPDATE

Since it is unlikely we will get 15 buyers, we checked with our fabricator and he can reduce the minimum order to 8, but we have to raise the price $75 per set. We at SHO Source will buy 3 sets, so that means we only need 5 people to make this buy work. Currently, we have 1 committed at $500. Assuming he is willing to pay $575, we only need 4 more to make the headers happen.

Ok all you fence sitters. Here is maybe your last chance to get a set of long tube headers. Can we make this happen? Who is in?

Mike
 

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I may be hacking mine up if it makes you feel any better. After checking under the car, I noticed.. gee I have no collector anywhere on my exhaust. Y pipe and catback are one solid piece. So I can't straight bolt mine on

OMG me too.:laugh_ti:
 

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I'd want to jump on the headers if it ever gets to 15 ppl. I take it the mid pipes you'll be selling are for the longtubes or will we need to fab something up? The MTX I'm picking up next week has a performance plus catted y pipe and a stainless borla exhaust so I guess I'd have to chop the mid pipe or just weld one up myself?

Well see above about taking less orders.

The headers will only mate perfectly to our y-pipes others will have to fabbed.
 

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HEADERS UPDATE

Since it is unlikely we will get 15 buyers, we checked with our fabricator and he can reduce the minimum order to 8, but we have to raise the price $75 per set. We at SHO Source will buy 3 sets, so that means we only need 5 people to make this buy work. Currently, we have 1 committed at $500. Assuming he is willing to pay $575, we only need 4 more to make the headers happen.

Ok all you fence sitters. Here is maybe your last chance to get a set of long tube headers. Can we make this happen? Who is in?

Mike

I'd like to jump over the fence and participate into this purchase of the headers. But I will not be able to spring for the payment :cry: until January or February of next year.
 

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If you guys get to 4 ppl and need 1 more to get you over the top PM me but I can't just be putting a $575 deposit down on something that I might not see for months right now. Plus I have to fix all the nitnoid things on my new MTX first and that'll probably run like $300.
 

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Well production will start next week for the y-pipes. The flanges are in so the y-pipes will start soon.

Well we can do a minimum run for the headers as we do have 3 paid orders right now.
 

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after the 1st i should have the money for the headers... unless i already paid? im not sure if i Did... Y-pipe for sure
 

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after the 1st i should have the money for the headers... unless i already paid? im not sure if i Did... Y-pipe for sure

I only show an order for the y-pipe but we could be wrong. That might work.

what next week, this week or the week of the 29th?

I believe this week we are starting production.
 
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I talked to the guy about it and the issue is to make it a universal pipe for both catless and catted as well as fit to the stock catback an improved collector can not be done. He does agree that it would be great to have but it can be done.

By way of comment...I've long been of the opinion that that nasty little olive-joint merge was a serious bottleneck, and when I fabbed the Y-pipe to go with my headers I got rid of it very easily:

http://www.milleredp.com/gallery/v/jem/motion/SHO/exhaust/DSCN6084.JPG.html

I was sure I had a better/finished pic somewhere, but this one is close enough. The key is the spun-shell cats, which are very compact. The rear-bank cat is almost entirely in front of the steering rack crossmember.

The 2.25in pipes merge into an ovaled section of 2.5in pipe and a 2.5in flex into the catback; the flex ends just about where the olive joint is on the stock catback. The flex mates to the catback with a 2.5in V-band ****** and clamp. The front header mates to the front cat with a 2.25in V-band ****** and clamp. My welding is of the gluing-metal-together grade, not the TIG-artistry level.

It's all now been on the car for about 2500mi and so far everything's working very nicely. I've got enough cat-to-crossmember clearance to drive an Elise through and there's nothing smaller than the bore of the flex joint anywhere downstream of the merge.
 
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Yes it would be good to have an improved collector but from talking with the fabricator he cant seem to do it or easily. He does agree it would be nice to have.

The pictures show everything quite close and I an sure of the fit up mating to a stock catback which is the first issue. I don't know if theres enough length. I don't see the flanges at the stock location so what you show may not even work. The cats length is as big of an issue as width, which isnt truly solved with your cats.

Also everyone has their opinion but I have yet to see any evidence of serious improvement over the y-pipe.

Ill talk to him some more but since production has started not mcuh can be done.
 

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The pictures show everything quite close and I an sure of the fit up mating to a stock catback which is the first issue. I don't know if theres enough length. I don't see the flanges at the stock location so what you show may not even work. The cats length is as big of an issue as width, which isnt truly solved with your cats.

Also everyone has their opinion but I have yet to see any evidence of serious improvement over the y-pipe.

Yes, I wish I had better pics, and I'll try to get some better ones once the '65 Mustang comes down off the lift next week, but I don't feel I'm blowing my own horn too loudly when I say the packaging is light-years better than any production or aftermarket catted Y-pipe I've seen.

This is a side view that perhaps shows the front-to-rear layout of the cats a bit better:

http://www.milleredp.com/gallery/v/jem/motion/SHO/exhaust/DSCN6037.JPG.html

Note that the fat part of the rear cat is entirely forward of the steering crossmember, the crossmember passes over the exit cone of the cat.

In this picture I'm holding the flex approximately at the point the olive joint occupies in a typical Y-pipe configuration:

http://www.milleredp.com/gallery/v/jem/motion/SHO/exhaust/DSCN6044.JPG.html

Note that I've got just under a foot of space in front of it with which to effect a decent merge.

The key to all this is that not just that the cats are shorter (they are) but that with the exception of the V-band ****** at the front header everything is welded, and everything was pretty much cut down to minimum length; there's no 2in long slip-joints, generally no room for them, and you could never do this as a clamp-together design. The center section drops off for axle, etc. work with the two V-band clamps and the two-bolt ****** at the rear header but if a cat ever needs replacement I'd have to cut and weld. That suits me well enough because "clamped slip-fit joint" is usually a synonym for "leak" and if you ever get the clamps tight enough not to leak, rattle, or work apart you need an angle grinder and a sledgehammer to get it apart anyway.

I won't ever have the opportunity to do a direct A/B dyno comparison of this configuration vs a stock olive joint (though this setup is intended to let me put a flex and V-band ****** on the rear of my old SHO Bros "equal length" Y-pipe and bolt it up with stock manifolds should I get paranoid around smog-time) but a Y-pipe intended to bolt up to a stock catback has to have a spigot that will fit inside the OE 2.25in catback, which on the ones I've seen means an effective Y-pipe exit diameter around 1 7/8in.

Now, I'm not in the aftermarket parts business, and I'm not criticizing those who take a different direction in order to maximize the 'bolt-in' appeal of their product (particularly given the limited market for something like a SHO Y-pipe) but I think the most effective way to approach this (given, too, how big a maintenace headache those olive joints can be with the slightest pipe misalignment) would be a Y-pipe with a 2.5in exit, a 2.5in flex, and a 2.5-2.25in reducer to clamp or weld on to the front of the catback once the olive joint ******'s been cut off.
 
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damn thats some nice work.......

did u make those headers?

Oh, **** no. headers are way beyond my ability, those are some ancient-stock SHO Bros (for all I know they may date to the SHO Shop days) pieces that Matt managed to dig out for me about a year ago.

I will note that the head flanges were a ****-poor match to the ports, and I had to do some drilling on the stud holes even to get them to fit over the studs, and some grinding on the flanges to gasket-match the ports (the porting job on my heads had gasket-matched the exhaust ports.) The front header also had the O2 bung up in the center primary pipe, and I ended up putting a new bung in the collector down under the oil pan (not visible in the pics) with a longer-wire O2 sensor.

I'm inclined to believe that the next round of SHO Source headers will correct this, I know they're working from a different head-****** design...
 
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