which requires less, turbo? or super charger

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BlackonBlack89

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yes def. spend the coin on a good turbo.

But I get where godz is coming from. 150 for a turbo and use it for mainly just fabbing up your setup. If u can't afford the $700+ turbo u want, atleast u can still continue on mocking it up and so forth. if u trust it enough, even test for leaks and wat not. Then when ur done a couple weekends later and saved up $, bolt in new turbo.

Then when ur done, remote turbo w/e peice of crap u have just for fun with the crappy one. :rofl:
 
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I see a small "disclamer" here.

You MUST have a Quaife or Wavetrac to buy this turbo kit.

lol, probably. i mean i guess it depends on how hard you push it.

i've been told as long as you get both tires to break loose, the diff pin will be ok.

but yes, i look at it like this, if i can save up 2-3 grand for a bolt on turbo set up. i can save up another 2-3 thousand and spend the initial savings on upgrading the brakes, a quaife, and a decent clutch, maybe new axles, then save up another 2-3 grand for the turbo now that the car will hold it.

i look at making big HP numbers without brakes and suspension or the rest of the drivetrain being done first as putting the cart in front of the horse.

even still, cool to see the guys @ SHO source doing so much for the community, especially with stuff like this turbo kit, and the other group buys/products they take care of.
 

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so i want to know which requires less fabrication. i dont have a garage and i know i would need a tweecer and all the fuel mods but i wanna save up for a lil bit. is sho source gonne make a kit? :munch:

Not to be mean, but if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

This requires a lot of work if you do it yourself.

I would start saving your money and do the following in order.

1. Mantainance
2. Suspention
3. Bigger brakes
4. Quaife or Wavetrac
5. Now you are ready for boost!
 

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how did it hold up?

Still have the turbo, no shaft play, no leaks. Spins freely. Same quality as a standard Garret T3 from pre-87 Tbirds (SVO's and Merks)

If your POS turdblow fails so does the motor . Spend the coin on a good unit.

Thanks for your input, it was greatly appreciated.
As with any turbo build, if you are ignorant, you will break something....and chances are it won't be the turbo ;)
 

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yes def. spend the coin on a good turbo.

But I get where godz is coming from. 150 for a turbo and use it for mainly just fabbing up your setup. If u can't afford the $700+ turbo u want, atleast u can still continue on mocking it up and so forth. if u trust it enough, even test for leaks and wat not. Then when ur done a couple weekends later and saved up $, bolt in new turbo.

Then when ur done, remote turbo w/e peice of crap u have just for fun with the crappy one. :rofl:

Exactly my point. A placement turbo would speed up fabrication. And for people like me who are willing to go a month with a cheap turbo while saving for a good one, its a great option to have.

My t3/t4 made a great temporary turbo and easily gave me over 380whp with stock boost levels. Once I got the Holset, I only needed a new downpipe and oil feed ******. Put it all together and had it running in an hour and then I was really able to turn up my boost and get a good tune going.



Also, T3 housings DO NOT like tools. Take the time to pick out the correct bolts and flanges, and have them easily accessible...You don't want to spend 2 hours trying to get 4 bolts off because crescent wrenches and sockets don't fit.
 

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That's what I'm saying, for general set up use, an ebay placement turbo is perfect. It's not like they come with obscure bolt patterns or weird oil fittings, it's all the same.

no its not

i would never rely on the Chinese to replicate ANY aspect of a name brand turbo. R&D work should ALWAYS be done with the same quality components you plan to sell the end user, except where its DOESN'T MATTER

for example, if you build all your piping out of carbon steel, but the end product will be SS, that's fine, as long as you prototype system is built to the same quality as the production system.

if you have some knock off BOV that WORKS PROPERLY fine, go for it. a BOV really only operates OFF throttle so it doesn't directly effect HP numbers

a turbo on the other hand is the absolute heart of the system, and a Chinese turbo will never be as good as the Garrett turbo that they tried to exactly copy.

the turbo selection can make or break the entire project, so i would never bank an entire project on a crappy chinese part.

plus if you later want to sell the prototype kit, a $2000 Garrett turbo might be worth $1500 after all the testing, but a $500 Chinese copy is worth $10, so the turbo either way is still worth $500 less then you paid for it new.
 

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no its not

i would never rely on the Chinese to replicate ANY aspect of a name brand turbo. R&D work should ALWAYS be done with the same quality components you plan to sell the end user, except where its DOESN'T MATTER

for example, if you build all your piping out of carbon steel, but the end product will be SS, that's fine, as long as you prototype system is built to the same quality as the production system.

if you have some knock off BOV that WORKS PROPERLY fine, go for it. a BOV really only operates OFF throttle so it doesn't directly effect HP numbers

a turbo on the other hand is the absolute heart of the system, and a Chinese turbo will never be as good as the Garrett turbo that they tried to exactly copy.

the turbo selection can make or break the entire project, so i would never bank an entire project on a crappy chinese part.

Why the **** would I be talking about a tune or any final numbers with a chinese turbo?
I AM TALKING ABOUT FABRICATION. Instead of spending so much time on turbo selection, get a chinese turbo to start fabrication for headers, oil lines, flanges, piping, etc. Get a PLACEMENT.
lrn2read.

I never said a Chinese turbo is as good as a brand name, there are so many differences (materials, manufacturing process, internals, etc etc). I also never said let the chinese turbo be apart of the final build, but when it comes to developing a product, and you want to make a "jig" you don't need the real thing.

When developing a prototype, it is important to get a good idea of where things are going to be. How hard will it be to install, how much blood will you lose, etc.

My other point is that these cheap chinese turbos aren't half as bad as many people make them out to be. It's even cheaper to buy a chinese turbo and rebuild it with quality components and still have a turbo comparable to a stock Garret T3 (ask me how I know).

My whole suggestion was for shosource to take a different approach to their prototype, so they have a much easier and cheaper way of making their product. And giving the customer the option of having no turbo so they can make their own selection is good too, which if shosource does that, I would consider picking up their kit and putting in a cheap chinese turbo to prove you wrong. In fact I'll use the very same one that's been in my 411whp Turbo Coupe and still in plenty of high HP BMW's and DSM's that I know.

Because what really counts is consistency, if you get a consistent build going now, it will end up being cheaper for everyone in the long run.
 

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I am not sure how much financial sense it makes to spend money on a part that you do not plan on keeping.. I highly doubt that the $400 price difference between an ebay crapshoot and a quality part is going to be the make it or break it for SHOsource in fabricating a good turbo kit. There are a large number of turbo selections that will fit any given frame size, so whatever they end up using for the developmental process will not really matter in the end.

As for the end user, if the $400 price difference is going to matter a tremendous amount as to whether you will build a turbo SHO or not, I can save you a lot of trouble, DON'T build it.

And if you are ONLY using it for fabrication, it does not need to be a working turbo at all, so just pick up a busted unit from someone for next to nothing.
 

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Not to be mean, but if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

This requires a lot of work if you do it yourself.

I would start saving your money and do the following in order.

1. Mantainance
2. Suspention
3. Bigger brakes
4. Quaife or Wavetrac
5. Now you are ready for boost!
I was just going to save up just for better parts instead of cheaper ones so it will b done right.
 

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The kit needs to be designed around a turbo with it in mind. So I have to first select the turbo as a different turbo will cause the piping to be changed slightly. We want to make sure we have a properly selected turbo for our application as well.

We do have access to plenty of junk turbos for fabricating the setup.

When we go to fabricate the kit we will be testing it on my SHO and I will only put parts that I am willing to sell which are good quality parts.

So the cheap turbo is not needed as we will use a junk turbo when needed.
 

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The kit needs to be designed around a turbo with it in mind. So I have to first select the turbo as a different turbo will cause the piping to be changed slightly. We want to make sure we have a properly selected turbo for our application as well.

We do have access to plenty of junk turbos for fabricating the setup.

When we go to fabricate the kit we will be testing it on my SHO and I will only put parts that I am willing to sell which are good quality parts.

So the cheap turbo is not needed as we will use a junk turbo when needed.

now i know you may not be able to tell us the price but if you can PLZPLZPLZPLZ
 

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The kit needs to be designed around a turbo with it in mind. So I have to first select the turbo as a different turbo will cause the piping to be changed slightly. We want to make sure we have a properly selected turbo for our application as well.

We do have access to plenty of junk turbos for fabricating the setup.

When we go to fabricate the kit we will be testing it on my SHO and I will only put parts that I am willing to sell which are good quality parts.

So the cheap turbo is not needed as we will use a junk turbo when needed.
I think the only thing that would need to change between turbos would be the flanges...
 

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