Window "AUTO DOWN" Module

[Porkchop]

Well this is a mod and it is in the interior so this is the right place. ANYWAY

I am going to be coming into prosession of 4 of these auto down mods, I already have 1 and its now installed on the pass. side window down. NOW what I want to do is install them on the UP side of the window.

But with all great things there are problems, when I tried to install another mod in the drivers door, to make it auto down and auto UP, the "auto" part didn't work. The window worked fine but it didn't automatically go up, I was getting some funny readings as to where the power was being directed. At rest, I was getting a charge through the motor side of the connection, but not on the switch side. I.E it was getting power on its own somewhere other than the switch shrug

Is this something to do with the stock auto down mod already on the window? or can it just not work going up?? the connections are the same both up and down ...

Chances are im a momo and didn't realize something while installing on the drivers door.

TIA shrug

 

[marbs]

Not sure, but are you thinking safety on this one. The cars that have the down ALONG with the UP have safety features so that it doesn't smash fingures or anything else that might be in the wndow. But heck maybe that doesn't concern you.

 

[Bizzy]

don't worry about the "safety" issue. the modules cut power when resistance is high in the motor. You'd pinch your fingers but thats about it. besides what kind of fool is gonn leave thier hand on the window while they feel it go up anyway.

I have this done to my passenger side door, and it works really well, but in my doing it I burned out the clock and leds in the doors so I haven't finished it.I dunno if it is the modules causing the problem or something else in my wiring. And I've been 2 lazy to do anything about it.

I'm going to order up a few of the AUTOLOC express modules as they do up and down in the same modlue, come with wiring instructions, and I could wire one into my moonroof too.

 

[DJ SHO]

Here is what Joseph Van Oss posted from the SHOtimes Mailing list, on how he did it. Hope it helps.
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I'm not saying this is the best way to do this, but it's the only way I know. With 3 express modules, you could give the driver "express down" AND "express up" on both front windows. I'll give the instructions in terms of Gen2 wiring; update the wire colors yourself per EVTM.

1. Label your modules LEFT FRONT UP, LEFT FRONT DOWN, RIGHT FRONT UP, and RIGHT FRONT DOWN.

2. Study your modules. Modules have fives wires. Two of the connector pins are heavier gauge, and three are lighter. If you hold the module so that the heavier pins are on the left and the lighter ones on the right, you are looking at pins 1-5 left to right. Wire #1 is red, #2 is white/black, #3 depends on year (see note), #4 is yellow, and #5 is black. Strip about 1/2" insulation from the end of each wire.

NOTE: If your module came from a 92, the center #3 wire will be light-blue/black. If it came from a 93-95, the center wire will be yellow/green. Either way it works fine, just be mindful of the colors as you proceed. The 92 module is actually closer to the wire colors of Gen1 cars. One more proof that 92s have Gen2 bodies and Gen1 souls.

3. Remove keys from ignition. Remove the driver's door window switches. Pull the switch assembly out from the opening as far as you can; it won't be much.

4. Find the light-blue/black wire (identified as #400 in the EVTM). A few inches away from the switch, strip a little insulation from this wire. Splice into it the center #3 wire on all of your express modules (light-blue/black or yellow/green). Use whatever splicing technique you like. Wrap in shrink-wrap or tape to insulate.

5. Find the black wire on the switch (identified as #57 in the EVTM). A few inches away from the switch, strip a little insulation from this wire. Splice into it the #5 wire on all of your express modules (black).

6. Repeat three times -- Find the TARGET wire on the switch for the direction you want to express:

- #333 LEFT FRONT UP, yellow with red stripe
- #313 RIGHT FRONT UP, white with yellow stripe, or yellow with black stripe
- #314 RIGHT FRONT DOWN, tan with light blue stripe, or red with black stripe

Cut the wire through. Strip 1/2" insulation from each end. To the piece of this wire that goes down into the door, connect the red #1 wire on your express module. To the piece of this wire that comes from the switch, connect the white/black #2 wite on your express module.

KEEP TRACK OF WHICH MODULE IS CONTROLLING WHICH WINDOW AND DIRECTION

7. Repeat three times -- Find the OPPOSITE DIRECTION wire on the switch from the direction you want to express:

- #334 LEFT FRONT DOWN, red with yellow stripe
- #314 RIGHT FRONT DOWN, tan with light blue stripe, or red with black stripe
- #314 RIGHT FRONT UP, white with yellow stripe, or yellow with black stripe

Splice into this wire the #4 wire on your express module (yellow).

8. Flip your window switch assembly right-side up. Insert the key into the ignition and turn to RUN or ACC. Verify that the "one-touch" feature works as intended.

9. Tuck the one-touch modules into the opening in the door cover panel.

 

[Porkchop]

DJ - thanks for that info, thats exactly what I want to do! beer

edit - I will have to try the drivers door auto up when I get another module - I tried what he said and hooked it up right but it was still being stupid. I figure go for auto down first and get those installed then screw with the auto up.

Again - thanks for the information!

<small>[ November 06, 2003, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: Porkchop ]</small>

 

[Markus]

netviper:
don't worry about the "safety" issue. the modules cut power when resistance is high in the motor. You'd pinch your fingers but thats about it.

WRONG! Worry very much about the safety issue. My neighbour did this with his 94 Taurus LX - put auto up on all windows using the Ford auto down module. His 10 year old daughter's finger was severely crushed and needed surgery. She'll never be able to bend it below the knuckle again. The Ford modules were NEVER intended to be used as power up modules. If I lived in the litigation-happy US I'd really think twice about doing this mod.

 

[Porkchop]

Im not worried about the safety switch/wiring whatever in the door. I don't have kids and in 4 years of owning this car I have never had young kids in the car. And if my friends are stupid enough to stick their fingers in the window while its closing they deserve to get pinched.

 

[quadmasta]

Markus:
Worry very much about the safety issue. My neighbour did this with his 94 Taurus LX - put auto up on all windows using the Ford auto down module. His 10 year old daughter's finger was severely crushed and needed surgery. She'll never be able to bend it below the knuckle again. The Ford modules were NEVER intended to be used as power up modules. If I lived in the litigation-happy US I'd really think twice about doing this mod.

so how do they know when to stop turning the motor when they're down? There's definitely current sensing built in.

 

[Markus]

quadmasta:

Markus:
Worry very much about the safety issue. My neighbour did this with his 94 Taurus LX - put auto up on all windows using the Ford auto down module. His 10 year old daughter's finger was severely crushed and needed surgery. She'll never be able to bend it below the knuckle again. The Ford modules were NEVER intended to be used as power up modules. If I lived in the litigation-happy US I'd really think twice about doing this mod.

so how do they know when to stop turning the motor when they're down? There's definitely current sensing built in.

Yes, there is current sensing built in. When the window is going down, it doesn't matter that the current is not turned off until after a finger would break - there is no way to get a finger inside the door! On the way up it's a different story - the circuitry doesn't shut the current off until after fingers break.

In the early 90s I lived in the UK for 6 months. I drove a Vauxhall Cavalier (and no, it shared no parts with the POS Chev Cavalier) with a 2 litre turbo engine. This car really was fun to drive - faster than any stock SHO I have driven. It had auto up windows and they had to be adjusted by the dealer so that they would stop before a person's finger would break. The auto down modules for the Taurus do not have this capability. This is why I say be very careful using them for auto up. They will stop, but not until after fingers break.

 

[Porkchop]

Thanks for the info on the finger thing. If you guys want to know how the ford auto down works check out AlFitz.com for the more or less dirty version of it.

I just like the idea of having the auto on all the windows - A: cause its damn cool, and I HATE having to hold the window button up leaving a toll or somewhere that i need to concentrate on the road more than the window. Meh, I will see what I decide when I get there.