PPE catted down pipes installed

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Installed my down pipes today and updated tune. I’ll say this and it may be just my opinion but that job sucked way more than I thought it would. Passenger side CV axel has to come out to get it to seat correctly. I personally found it easier to bolt passenger side up than driver side u just have to take a few extra things off or loose. (Cv axel, support bracket for middle exhaust.) now driver side sucks through and through. All cat bolts are a giant PITA to get to, not to mention the dumb O2 sensor is in the way to remove 1 cat bolts so u must undo it while still connected (O2 sensor is a 22 mm) the O2 connector is **** as well I had to damn near press my finger nails off to get it to work. (Both passenger and driver up stream O2 sensors). I also had 1 cat bolts from driver side that came out with the damn stud and of course won’t fully seat or go back in so it will have to get replaced when I get back from Hawaii. Next is my hot pipes from EPP and I got the tail BOV. Random question when u take the old pipes out the BOV is in a new spot now and has zero electrical connection to hook up do I just undo old ones and zip tie off? They are no longer needed?
 

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so I hate exhaust myself as well. as for the downpipes I was lucky my car had 27k miles at the time and no rust. garage and no northern salt. the best advice I would suggest when dealing with older rusted bolts soaked in wd40, then use the torch, heat to cherry then work on it. the O2 I had the tool for with the slotted side, and had the right angled open end wrench attachments. I used my friends lift which I am sure made the access easier cause I didn't need to remove anything else other than the passenger tire and the wheel well shrouding.

I hope you did the wiggle test for the turbines when u had access?

I have always sat on the fence about the EPP hot pipes I assume you are talking 2 different projects. EPP was/is supposed to provide the holes in the stock places, however using non stock BOVs your guess what happens is better than mine. we have folk here that did the hot pipes so I am sure they will weigh in.
 

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i have the PPE catted down pipes, waiting to be installed. I want to install new studs and nuts when I start on this install, and my local Ford parts dept says there are some bolts that also have to be removed. The only thing that I have seen is the three studs in the turbo ****** that connects to the cats. Is the parts guy mistaken or are there bolts that need to be removed?
 

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so I hate exhaust myself as well. as for the downpipes I was lucky my car had 27k miles at the time and no rust. garage and no northern salt. the best advice I would suggest when dealing with older rusted bolts soaked in wd40, then use the torch, heat to cherry then work on it. the O2 I had the tool for with the slotted side, and had the right angled open end wrench attachments. I used my friends lift which I am sure made the access easier cause I didn't need to remove anything else other than the passenger tire and the wheel well shrouding.

I hope you did the wiggle test for the turbines when u had access?

I have always sat on the fence about the EPP hot pipes I assume you are talking 2 different projects. EPP was/is supposed to provide the holes in the stock places, however using non stock BOVs your guess what happens is better than mine. we have folk here that did the hot pipes so I am sure they will weigh in.
Yeah this is the first time I had to take driver side off and one of the cat bolts came out with the stud. I did not have lift I did it all on jack stands and floor jack. See I didn’t have to remove the wheel wall shrouding. I was able to get both Top O2 sensors out with a crescent wrench. It’s a PITA but can be done. I did wiggle test on driver side not passenger side but in all fairness it doesn’t matter if they take a **** on me I’m getting the GH ones in 3 months when I graduate.

As for EPP pipes there explanation on the videos is not clear and only shows the option of stock BOV but of course I opted for the purple vent to atmosphere tial BOV and they put it on the inlet pipe to the intake manifold rather than the other side where stock ones would be. I am going to do some more research but I assume the BOV has a pressure rated spring in it with a plate that moves when it becomes to much or you run a vacuum line to it but I am very uncertain on this part ATM but when I get back (currently on a plane) I’ll figure it out and get it all done
 

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i have the PPE catted down pipes, waiting to be installed. I want to install new studs and nuts when I start on this install, and my local Ford parts dept says there are some bolts that also have to be removed. The only thing that I have seen is the three studs in the turbo ****** that connects to the cats. Is the parts guy mistaken or are there bolts that need to be removed?
Besides the 3 on each cat u have the flex hose end u take loose it’s 2 13mm for each side but u wont need them anymore your PPE pipes provide new ones with gasket for each side. I will say I notice a slight increase in throttle response but that’s about it. I got zero sound increase from them. As for power it may have went up some but not enough to feel a major difference
 

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Besides the 3 on each cat u have the flex hose end u take loose it’s 2 13mm for each side but u wont need them anymore your PPE pipes provide new ones with gasket for each side. I will say I notice a slight increase in throttle response but that’s about it. I got zero sound increase from them. As for power it may have went up some but not enough to feel a major difference

Thanks for the reply. I'm happy with the noise level now, I don't need to bring any unwanted attention to my ride.
 

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I wanted to change out the studs and nuts at the turbo/cat connection when I install the PPE downpipes. The Ford Dealer wanted over $200 for a set of studs and nuts. Even he said that was too much and said try to find another vendor. I found www.fordpartsonsale.com, Their price was $80 for the studs and nuts. Shipping was around $10
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ADDED: Got the studs and nuts today, genuine Ford parts in Ford packaging at less than half of what the dealer sells them for.
 
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PPEonly includes the back 4 the front 6 you will have to source, I gotta do the same thing when I get home for a stud.
I was hoping for something a little more than stock for the price but it is what it is. Hopefully with a full exhaust system it sounds better if not, not much I can do about that.
 

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I wanted to change out the studs and nuts at the turbo/cat connection when I install the PPE downpipes. The Ford Dealer wanted over $200 for a set of studs and nuts. Even he said that was too much and said try to find another vendor. I found www.fordpartsonsale.com, Their price was $80 for the studs and nuts. Shipping was around $10.
might I add a cautionary statement here. yes fordpartgiant is a great source but be aware of the size and weight of the items you buy. if the part needs to be returned be careful of that low low price. 2 items to think through, call them and make sure they confirm it will fit and for your car. I have experienced the sure it fits the SHO PP --- wrong part for a non PP. just be careful of the part type and cost to return.

2 items that f'd me factory fans, the PP has a louvered shroud. the radiator, PP has extra cooling connectors for the ptu cooler. all said be careful, sometimes the part might be better paid a premium at a local dealership, eat you pride and pay them... if it doesn't fit its their cost to ship to the distributor like fordpartsgiant. and get the right part.

just an older mans experience showing here.
 

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Man I did my catless downpipes, and 3rd cat delete in 3 hours with an 8 pack of pils, and it was not difficult at all. I did drive the car hard (and then idle 5 minutes) before working, so everything was hot. But a 3/8" stubby impact and an electric ratchet got me through the job
 

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Man I did my catless downpipes, and 3rd cat delete in 3 hours with an 8 pack of pils, and it was not difficult at all. I did drive the car hard (and then idle 5 minutes) before working, so everything was hot. But a 3/8" stubby impact and an electric ratchet got me through the job
Same here, I dont remember it being difficult and I didn't have to mess with a CV axle. I PB Blasted the 3 bolts at the collectors and the two at the third cat. Zipped everything out with an impact and a box end wrench for the O2 sensors. Hardest part was keeping the new gaskets from falling out during re-install.
 

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Passenger side I had to remove the CV to get it to seat right on the cat end ******. If I got the cat end set perfect the rear would be drastically off from where it should be. Driver side I did not but the collector bolts on this side were much more rusted in place. 2 out of 3 were fine but the last one pulled entire damn stud with it. I just got home from Hawaii and have a plethora of boxes at my door playfully one is the replacement stud and nut.
 

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I was able to finally replace the downpipes on my 2015 SHO non-PP as well. I thought this was a decent place to add my 2 cents.

rockauto.com has the gaskets I purchased. The turbo to DP gasket is MAHF32679, you need two. The DP to the rest of the exhaust is MAHF32686 and you need two of those as well. I didn’t know this but both sets of gaskets are basically two gaskets spot welded together so don’t try to pull them apart, not that you would but yah know…. Next thing I got was some M10 with 1.50 pitch nuts, six of them, from where ever you want, I found mine at Ace. I picked up grade 8 nuts and I’m sure there are opinions one way or another if these are good to use but that’s what I got, you do you bro but just know the size is M10 1.5. I did not find the right stud size that is on the turbo so I cannot help with that. You’ll also need four 7/16 bolts, locking nuts, and washers for the DP to the rest of the exhaust connection. Again, I hit up Ace and picked up grade 8 fasteners,

There is a shop manual somewhere in the forum that a wonderful person posted years ago that is a fabulous resource so look for it, it has the torque specs on all the fasteners you’re touching.

Stainless Works has a great write-up on steps to follow as a guide. https://stainlessworks.net/content/installation_instructions/2010-ford-taurus-downpipe-ii-35100.pdf

When/if you use this I would suggest putting notes on it with torque settings and when to add the gaskets, more as a reminder so you don’t have to take something back off. I would also add torque your lug nuts on the passenger wheel as the last step because guess who forgot to torque them back to spec before the test drive?

I found copper anti-seize at O’Reilly’s in-stock for the 02 sensors.

I picked up a QuickJack 6000TLX a couple years back and used that to lift the car, works great and is portable.

I discovered at the turbo to DP connection, the lower left stud, is blocked by the sway bar. I used a 15mm deep socket on a 144 tooth wrench with a breaker bar to break it free. I had soaked all the fasteners in PB Blaster a couple hours before. Once it was broken free, I had to switch to a regular socket part way through and then to a ratcheting combo wrench to get it off. No need to remove an CV axles or sway bars. Be patient and it’ll come off. Second item, I could not find a way to remove the bottom front right nut from the turbo studs without removing the oil filter. Pick up some oil because you’ll lose about a quart. That’s about it, happy wrenching!
 

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According to the shop manual, the three cat converter to turbo nuts torque is 40NM or 30FT/lbs, tightened in two stages.
 
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I am planning to buy some catted downpipes soon. I also plan to get them ceramic coated. Are there any hoses/lines/components that should receive some heat protection love "while I'm there"? also - I will have a shop perform this task for me. How many billable hours should I expect to pay?
 

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I am planning to buy some catted downpipes soon. I also plan to get them ceramic coated. Are there any hoses/lines/components that should receive some heat protection love "while I'm there"? also - I will have a shop perform this task for me. How many billable hours should I expect to pay?
There is zero reason a shop can’t have that knocked out in two hours… so probably four.
 
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