Why isn't there an MTX SHO?

[EcoBrick Bob]

Now if that Buick had the EcoBoost engine option.....

 

[FamilySHO]

F1 does not use automatic transmissions. A car sans a clutch pedal does not an automatic make.

Correct. No slush box torque converters in F1! F1 has an "automatic" manual transmission with shifting and clutch actuated by electric motors in response to paddle shifters. (Must be a computer involved some where too). There are productions cars with this set up. (Ferrari, Maserti, Lamborghini and Porsche I seem to rcall, may be others.)

 

[jontyrees]

Correct. No slush box torque converters in F1! F1 has an "automatic" manual transmission with shifting and clutch actuated by electric motors in response to paddle shifters. (Must be a computer involved some where too). There are productions cars with this set up. (Ferrari, Maserti, Lamborghini and Porsche I seem to rcall, may be others.)

VW, Audi.....

 

[dohcsable]

VW, Audi.....

holy thread from the dead batman..........



and BMW was the most correct answer you were looking for there.......their SMG has been around for a long time now.....:thankyou:

 

[stephen newberg]

I suppose we can think of it a a debate about what is an automatic, but personally, if I do not have to push in and let out a clutch, it is an automatic. YMMV.

pax, smn

 

[RonPorter]

Down-shifting: Stick shift sales ebb, despite the fun factor

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120412/AUTO03/204120358/1148/?source=nletter-auto

 

[Night hawk]

Pretty sure they are waiting for the return of the SVO mustang ecoboost to intro a manual, I def could like to see the 6 spd as an option find its way over for the SHO/ECO.

 

[dohcsable]

I suppose we can think of it a a debate about what is an automatic, but personally, if I do not have to push in and let out a clutch, it is an automatic. YMMV.

pax, smn

It doesn't matter if there is a clutch pedal or not.......the difference is whether there is a clutch disc or a torque converter. Traditional manuals still have a third pedal, but SMG's are indeed manuals.....just with a computerized clutch.

 

[thePUNISHER]

It doesn't matter if there is a clutch pedal or not.......the difference is whether there is a clutch disc or a torque converter. Traditional manuals still have a third pedal, but SMG's are indeed manuals.....just with a computerized clutch.

Both the current ford focus and fiesta use automatic shifting manual trannies. The dps6.

On a side note theres not a fwd manual trans out there that can live a week in the newer sho. Im not sure one can be designed either. Im nOt so sure demand for it is the issue, rather than building a unit that can take the abuse behind the torque combined with the weight of the car.

 

[frosho]

I'm sure a transaxle could be designed to handle the power and weight of the SHO. All it takes is more money than Ford wants to spend.

 

[thePUNISHER]

I'm sure a transaxle could be designed to handle the power and weight of the SHO. All it takes is more money than Ford wants to spend.

Agreed...Really what i meant was it couldnt be done cost effectively. Youd end up with a manual option costing more than the automatic. Usually its the opposite. There isnt a FWD manual out there i can think of currently that would take it.

 

[stephen newberg]

It doesn't matter if there is a clutch pedal or not.......the difference is whether there is a clutch disc or a torque converter. Traditional manuals still have a third pedal, but SMG's are indeed manuals.....just with a computerized clutch.

We disagree.

A TC is, IIRC, a device originally designed to increase fuel economy and lower overall wear and tear on the transmission. And, as the next poster noted, there are fully automatic shifting transmissions out there these days that use clutches internally. If you do not have to manually engage and disengage the clutch, it is an automatic. IMO, anyway, and shared by a few others, I suspect.

pax, smn

 

[dohcsable]

We disagree.

A TC is, IIRC, a device originally designed to increase fuel economy and lower overall wear and tear on the transmission. And, as the next poster noted, there are fully automatic shifting transmissions out there these days that use clutches internally. If you do not have to manually engage and disengage the clutch, it is an automatic. IMO, anyway, and shared by a few others, I suspect.

pax, smn

I think you missed my point.....a clutch disc(like in a classic manual) versus a torque converter filled with atf and atf controlled gear changes.



I suppose that recently, a host of other cars have caused a muddying of what the SMG I used as an example stood for.

Granted, the smg is a "semi-manual", but it was just the standard 6sp manual with a computerized clutch and electrical shifter. Nothing related to an automatic gearbox there.







On a note pertaining to why they do not offer the new sho in manual form, well.....its all economics. The gen 1 sold pretty well when it came out, and the gen 2 mtx was outsold by the atx over 8:1.....thats why the gen 3 was auto only, and the same with the gen6. Since the gen 3 was more of a "Luxury Cruiser" vs. what the gen1/2 were, I doubt Ford has changed their view on what the SHO is now. Not knocking, just explaining the most likely reason why automatic is the only option now.

 

[SHOrod]

Granted, the smg is a "semi-manual", but it was just the standard 6sp manual with a computerized clutch and electrical shifter. Nothing related to an automatic gearbox there.

Same concept, but I believe the original acronym "SMG" was "Sequential Manual Gearbox" giving even less of an indication that it's anything less (or more?) than a manual transmission.

-Rod