What boost levels are people seeing with the GH AO tune?

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And when you realize that when the knock sensors bump up against the same criteria to add timing to the limit of knock and back off again you will realize it doesn't matter if you are above or below the "0" line..... Let that sink in. So I guess you don't let your knock sensors add timing to the base maps like factory either?

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@stripSHO curious... if you are one of the only full weight with just a tune to run 12.32, and you understand topics about tuning so well and feel they should be common knowledge for a tuner, and you can identify problems so quickly... why don't you start selling your service to do tunes for people? Not trying to be a dick, it is a serious, legitimate question. There are tuners on here that do this full time and as side gigs. There are tuners that do it for a little extra money/hobby and tuners that do it for a career. Many of them are developing new products for the platform. Many of them are selling multiple revisions as new products come out and new paths are explored with this platform. In a market with limited quality parts and tuners, it seems like a great way to make some extra money, and to further the platform. I'm sure another option for a tuner, with fast turn around times, quick troubleshooting, and great power results would be widely welcomed by the community.
Honestly my fast times are attributable much more to fuel than anything else. All the fastest guys in the platform use race gas in one form or another. But it's hardly ever mentioned and never discussed, almost like it's supposed to be a secret or something. Making power becomes a lot simpler when you can turn the timing up to 30 degrees. It's nothing magical or prowess on my part.

Despite what that desperate attention whore @Ecoboost_xsport says, I've never once claimed to be superior at anything. All I've ever done is advocate against shitloads of KR, which anyone with half a brain cell should agree with. @Ecoboost_xsport sorry you didn't make the cut!

But anyway, tuning commercially is not something even remotely on my radar at this point in my life. I don't have the time and don't need the money. Friends and family, sure. Or maybe I could sell a limited run of tunes as some sort of "Make @Ecoboost_xsport Fast" charity event? JK, I know that septic truck is a lost cause!:rofl:
 

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Honestly my fast times are attributable much more to fuel than anything else. All the fastest guys in the platform use race gas in one form or another. But it's hardly ever mentioned and never discussed, almost like it's supposed to be a secret or something. Making power becomes a lot simpler when you can turn the timing up to 30 degrees. It's nothing magical or prowess on my part.

Despite what that desperate attention whore @Ecoboost_xsport says, I've never once claimed to be superior at anything. All I've ever done is advocate against shitloads of KR, which anyone with half a brain cell should agree with. @Ecoboost_xsport sorry you didn't make the cut!

But anyway, tuning commercially is not something even remotely on my radar at this point in my life. I don't have the time and don't need the money. Friends and family, sure. Or maybe I could sell a limited run of tunes as some sort of "Make @Ecoboost_xsport Fast" charity event? JK, I know that septic truck is a lost cause!:rofl:
Oh... so nothing special just increased octane... are you comparing your 12.32 to e85 cars or race gas cars? If not, that is like bragging about beating a non meth car with a meth car. Nothing special to brag about.
 

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I have to use race E85 fuels to cut my 93 with simply bc I don’t have access to E85 stations. I saw a very nice increase switching from 93+Meth to E30-E50+meth. Wouldn’t be a party without nitrous on top. I’ll use 109 at the track but nothing is different in my tune. Nothing is different in my tune for nitrous also. I log and Dragy my E mix with meth. Then I add nitrous and mix my race E with race fuel for track days.
 

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Honestly my fast times are attributable much more to fuel than anything else. All the fastest guys in the platform use race gas in one form or another. But it's hardly ever mentioned and never discussed, almost like it's supposed to be a secret or something. Making power becomes a lot simpler when you can turn the timing up to 30 degrees. It's nothing magical or prowess on my part.

Despite what that desperate attention whore @Ecoboost_xsport says, I've never once claimed to be superior at anything. All I've ever done is advocate against shitloads of KR, which anyone with half a brain cell should agree with. @Ecoboost_xsport sorry you didn't make the cut!

But anyway, tuning commercially is not something even remotely on my radar at this point in my life. I don't have the time and don't need the money. Friends and family, sure. Or maybe I could sell a limited run of tunes as some sort of "Make @Ecoboost_xsport Fast" charity event? JK, I know that septic truck is a lost cause!:rofl:

Awww....someone sounds a bit cranky. Missed your nap time today? Lol.

You've definitely stepped your snap back game up a bit, but ya got a lil more to go. I'll grade that one a C minus. Keep up with the effort...you're almost there little buddy.

But that charity event....not a half-bad idea if I do say so myself...
 
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No I just think you need to get a life.... That's all... There is someone like you in every forum and even multiple profiles in the same forum just like you Dylan. Go be productive man. Life is too short...

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Its beyond time for you guys to put him/her/it on your ignore list. I did a long time ago but I have to keep enduring his/her/it's BS because a bunch of you keep responding to him/her/it. Matt...YOU are proven...that arrogant high minded ID 10 T is NOT. Put the child on your ignore list and be done.
 

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Oh... so nothing special just increased octane... are you comparing your 12.32 to e85 cars or race gas cars? If not, that is like bragging about beating a non meth car with a meth car. Nothing special to brag about.
I beat meth FBO cars like a drum....without Meth. Your point?
 

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I believe he was referring to cars that run on meth instead of gas, at least thats how I understood it.
 

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And when you realize that when the knock sensors bump up against the same criteria to add timing to the limit of knock and back off again you will realize it doesn't matter if you are above or below the "0" line..... Let that sink in. So I guess you don't let your knock sensors add timing to the base maps like factory either?

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First what's this dylan thing? Some pop culture reference that's flying over my head? Someone please enlighten me

Second, I rarely see more than 0.3 to 0.5 negative KR so your plea about letting the knock sensors add timing is falling on deaf ears.

Now, let's wrap our heads around these basic concepts...

1) 1 degree too much commanded spark does not necessarily equal 1 degree KR. Maybe it's just my imagination but it sure seems to me that advancing 1 degree beyond the knock threshold often resulted in 3 to 4 degrees KR. Over-aggressive timing results in less actual advance and less power than a proper map does, with less safety margin.

2) When a knock event occurs it doesn't effect just that single point. As everyone knows, the KR lingers around a few seconds during the recovery period, again costing power where it probably doesn't need to. This isn't a problem with 0 KR and a good fitting timing curve. And by good fitting curve I mean one that does not produce knock at the same points over and over and over again. I didn't even need to datalog to quickly learn that your tune would knock to kingdom come below 2500 rpm every single time, a moderate KR at a certain point in the midrange was extremely predictable, and then there was the +4 KR after every WOT shift boost spike which felt like an absolute certainty.

3) You preach really hard about peace of mind, which is pretty ironic considering one of my few logs with your tune shows me running +3 to +4 KR for 10 seconds straight. I might add, it's a log Gearhead looked at and just said 'looks good, add octane'. I might also add that it did not trigger an OAR adjust. I couldn't drive anywhere without a nervous eye fixed on my livewire. I know, I'm way too paranoid, but whatever. You may think the zero mark doesn't matter because it's not "really" detonating, but the reality is you can only pull 7.5 degrees and beyond that all bets are off. So yes, where KR runs in relation to "0" does matter. Your tune sacrificed half the available safety net in my car for absolutely no reason. You may be content with having an anvil for a backup parachute, but if something bad happens and shit actually goes south it is NOT OKAY for me. I don't care if it makes me ignorant - I'll keep my 7.5 degree cushion, thanks.

4) All engines of the same design do not share identical knock tolerances. Snap out of it and open up to the possibility that maybe, MAYBE your toon just isn't quite base enough and stop creating conspiracies of ****** gas that only seem to plague your own customers.

Let those sink in, accept that your method doesn't appeal to everyone on this planet, and just shut up already. Listen to the red rocket rider. You're the one who started and keeps persisting this shitshow. Take control of your ego and give up this sad obsession with trying to "educate" me or put me in my place or whatever else you imagine you're doing.
 

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I beat meth FBO cars like a drum....without Meth. Your point?
The comment is in reference to the statement "I'm self-tuned, and ran back to back 12.32's tune-only, full weight, very first two passes ever with the car. You know or know of anybody that's done better, please do let me know." This makes it sound like a completely stock car with just a tune. I asked if he was comparing his 12.32 to other race gas/E85 cars. It sounds impressive against 93 cars but not against other similarly modded cars. The meth comment is saying if you took 2 identically modded cars, added meth to one and tuned it, of course the meth car would have more impressive tunes. Just like you saying you beat meth cars like a drum. Yes, I have no doubt a stock car with a meth kit can't hold a candle to you. However a car with similar/same mods plus meth would probably pull on you.
 

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Oh... so nothing special just increased octane... are you comparing your 12.32 to e85 cars or race gas cars? If not, that is like bragging about beating a non meth car with a meth car. Nothing special to brag about.
I mean, it was also mixed to 40% ethanol and the race gas only picked up about 15 hp over plain e40. And claiming that e40 can be done safely with the stock HPFP definitely twisted some peoples' *******. But I'm by no means holding my hand out for a medal or anything, just it was suggested I was tired of being slow so I asked who's gone faster in an unmodified car. This spring I might take a trip down to one of them tracks you have in Ohio that practically double as frontside ski slopes and see if I can't hit 12.10's or better with the same setup.

And yes, the car is completely stock, save for new thermostat and plugs. I don't even have good tires.
 
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Awww....someone sounds a bit cranky. Missed your nap time today? Lol.

You've definitely stepped your snap back game up a bit, but ya got a lil more to go. I'll grade that one a C minus. Keep up with the effort...you're almost there little buddy.

But that charity event....not a half-bad idea if I do say so myself...
Thank you. I ache so badly for your approval and acceptance.
 

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I mean, it was also mixed to 40% ethanol and the race gas only picked up about 15 hp over plain e40. And claiming that e40 can be done safely with the stock HPFP definitely twisted some peoples' *******. But I'm by no means holding my hand out for a medal or anything, just it was suggested I was tired of being slow so I asked who's gone faster in an unmodified car. This spring I might take a trip down to one of them tracks you have in Ohio that practically double as frontside ski slopes and see if I can't hit 12.10's or better with the same setup.

And yes, the car is completely stock, save for new thermostat and plugs. I don't even have good tires.

Which tracks are ski slopes in Ohio dylan?

I'd love to know because all my fastest passes were at Milan.
 

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Which tracks are ski slopes in Ohio dylan?

I'd love to know because all my fastest passes were at Milan.
Obviously I'm being hyperbolic, but I doubt a dragy run would even certify on that grade. There's another one down there somewhere that is similar but the name escapes me at the moment.
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Obviously I'm being hyperbolic, but I doubt a dragy run would even certify on that grade. There's another one down there somewhere that is similar but the name escapes me at the moment.
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Never been to that one, but I will definitely put it on the list for this year. There's a super hilljack one called kd dragway in southern ohio, but I think that one is just an 1/8 mile track.

Pictures can be deceiving just as dragy can. I had it register a 4° positive slope at milan on my 0-60 last time I was there. I'd love to get on a track that was legit downhill tho. That would be way cheaper than adding more mods to go quicker.
 

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The comment is in reference to the statement "I'm self-tuned, and ran back to back 12.32's tune-only, full weight, very first two passes ever with the car. You know or know of anybody that's done better, please do let me know." This makes it sound like a completely stock car with just a tune. I asked if he was comparing his 12.32 to other race gas/E85 cars. It sounds impressive against 93 cars but not against other similarly modded cars. The meth comment is saying if you took 2 identically modded cars, added meth to one and tuned it, of course the meth car would have more impressive tunes. Just like you saying you beat meth cars like a drum. Yes, I have no doubt a stock car with a meth kit can't hold a candle to you. However a car with similar/same mods plus meth would probably pull on you.

Just so happens that I ran a FBO 16 SHO (intake, dp's, full exhaust, front mount IC, tq mounts, E30 tune, and meth) and walked him from a dig with my current mods minus the GH IC. Funny, I removed the GH IC and went back to stock. My car made more boost, and went faster on both my draggy and Livewire without a tune modification. His car was tuned by Ortiz, and mine is tuned by AJP.

His car had more mods, held more boost higher in the RPM range, and had meth......

He was making noise here in AZ all over FB, and I took him to Gapplebees with LESS.

For reference my SHO went 12.56 at 109 E30 tune only (tune and plugs) with a K&N drop in.
 

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