SHO review at nextautos.com

[All-Or-Nothing]

If the Gen1/2 guys hate this new SHO so much why not go back to Gen1/2 forum and stop crying. Obviously Ford didn't target them.

No matter how much you hate this car it still beats any old SHO in all categories. I'll take this one anyday. Glad to let go of my old SHO also.

 

[stephen newberg]

If the Gen1/2 guys hate this new SHO so much why not go back to Gen1/2 forum and stop crying. Obviously Ford didn't target them.

No matter how much you hate this car it still beats any old SHO in all categories. I'll take this one anyday. Glad to let go of my old SHO also.

Once again, you are making way too much sense.

pax, smn

 

[thebigjimsho]

If the Gen1/2 guys hate this new SHO so much why not go back to Gen1/2 forum and stop crying. Obviously Ford didn't target them.

No matter how much you hate this car it still beats any old SHO in all categories. I'll take this one anyday. Glad to let go of my old SHO also.

Nice overreaction. I see maybe a couple guys who really hate the new SHO. The rest of us have our objections to some compromises, that's all.

 

[SuperHO]

eh, let's face the facts...the original SHO was never meant to be a 1/4 mile terror, road course champion, nor a weekend warrior cone dodger...what it was intended to be was a higher performance sedan with many luxury items that could compete with the bahn burners from germany that were in it's class...i.e. BMW 5 series of it's time, which it did quite well. fast forward 20 years and what do you have? a higher performance sedan that can hold it's own against many cars that, up till now, outclassed it with ease. braking ability aside, it keeps up quite easily with every 5 series except the M5, and let's face it, mass produced twin turbo V6's weren't meant to rub shoulders with performance oriented V10's.

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

Nice overreaction. I see maybe a couple guys who really hate the new SHO. The rest of us have our objections to some compromises, that's all.

Not an over reaction at all.

Fine it doesn't have a stick. that is debateable (spelling). Personally I have outgrown the urge to shift gears anyways however I do understand the appeal it still has for some people. This new transmission will hold gears at redline and even with the flimsy paddles will out shift the best of us.

So I think Ford has done a great job hitting it's target while moving it upscale at the same time.

 

[thebigjimsho]

This new transmission will hold gears at redline and even with the flimsy paddles will out shift the best of us.

That is yet to be determined. Can it also rev match on downshifts?

 

[thebigjimsho]

eh, let's face the facts...the original SHO was never meant to be a 1/4 mile terror, road course champion, nor a weekend warrior cone dodger...what it was intended to be was a higher performance sedan with many luxury items that could compete with the bahn burners from germany that were in it's class...i.e. BMW 5 series of it's time, which it did quite well. fast forward 20 years and what do you have? a higher performance sedan that can hold it's own against many cars that, up till now, outclassed it with ease. braking ability aside, it keeps up quite easily with every 5 series except the M5, and let's face it, mass produced twin turbo V6's weren't meant to rub shoulders with performance oriented V10's.

I've freely admitted here and in the Caddy forums that while I enjoy the rapidly illegal speeds I can attain in the V with the mountainous torque curve of the LS6, I really miss redlining the Yamaha every time I drove the SHO. Ford took a decent car and caught lightning in a bottle. And created an icon.

When the first SHO came out it wa among the top 5 fastest sedans on the planet. Only exotic sports cars could outrun it. Pony cars couldn't beat it. It was one step below the M5.

The new SHO is a nice drivetrain in a nice package. But there's a handul of domestic sedans that are faster as well as almost every foreign marque having a similarly fast, or faster, sedan. And it's not available in a stick.

I am eager to drive the new SHO. I hope it does well and I hope it revives interest and awareness of our older SHOs. Even the wannabe Gen IIIs...


I just think Ford could've created an uproar if they produced a Fusion with the EcoBoost and AWD...

 

[venom]

That is yet to be determined. Can it also rev match on downshifts?

Yes rev matched downshifts at speeds faster than BMW generally. (Between .5 to about .8 seconds depending on gears stepping between).

 

[illSHOyou]

Guy's remember, support your team. Without support of this new great machine Ford has built, your never going to see the brakes upgraded, or have a chance to shift 6 gears. Without support this car could be discontinued forever... Sure its not perfect, but the original wasn't either, it is however BACK... and thats a good thing!

There is absolutely nothing that the aftermarket cant do for this car. It lets us custom tailor our personally SHO to our liking in our own image, and brought this great community together! Remember that....

 

[SuperHO]

he speaks troof...i mean, how long have we spent pining for a new SHO? and now that we got one, half the community is shunning it for a red-headed stepchild. can we just give this beast a chance before lynching it at the door?

 

[venom]

he speaks troof...i mean, how long have we spent pining for a new SHO? and now that we got one, half the community is shunning it for a red-headed stepchild. can we just give this beast a chance before lynching it at the door?

It's 1995 but 14 years later...

 

[Vnuk1]

guy's remember, support your team. Without support of this new great machine ford has built, your never going to see the brakes upgraded, or have a chance to shift 6 gears. Without support this car could be discontinued forever... Sure its not perfect, but the original wasn't either, it is however back... And thats a good thing!

There is absolutely nothing that the aftermarket cant do for this car. It lets us custom tailor our personally sho to our liking in our own image, and brought this great community together! Remember that....

q f m f t ! !

 

[Huntervf]

That is yet to be determined. Can it also rev match on downshifts?

Actually Jim, that part has in fact been determined. In manual mode, it most decidedly will not upshift until you push the paddle. You could bounce it off the rev limiter all day if you wanted to. And yes, it does blip the throttle to rev match on downshifts. For a traditional-style automatic gearbox with a manual mode, this one actually feels pretty darn good, though I'd prefer the paddles to be positioned better and offer upshifts on the right, downshifts on the left. As I've said before, if you think you know how all manual-mode automatics feel and function, this one will make you rethink it, especially on the downshifts.

NOT saying it's a substitute for a stick. I just spent 600 miles with a 6-speed Jetta TDI, and I must say it was nice to get back to a bona-fide manual gearbox. In my book, I'd take a manual SHO over the auto, but the auto functions good enough with the manual mode to not make the trans choice much of an issue for me. I'm actually VERY interested to hear the opinions of others as they get a chance to try it for themselves

And while it won't upshift, it will automatically downshift for you in manual mode if the revs get too low, and/or a combination of low revs and liberal application of power. Yeah, it's auto intervention in a supposedly-manual only mode, but I didn't mind finding myself in a much lower gear when forgetting to downshift after getting off the highway. I experimented with it, and honestly found no downside to having it automatically downshift if the revs drop too low. When adding power, the only times it automatically downshifted were times when I should've been in a lower gear anyway.

And on a slightly humorous note, I've been wondering if, 70 odd years ago or so, there were groups of guys sitting around in pubs complaining about those damn electric starters, as opposed to the feel of manually cranking the engine over by hand to get it going. :corn:

 

[stephen newberg]

For all the purists, well, time does move on. Try this from Autoblog on the new 2010 M series:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/10/first-drive-2010-bmw-x6-m-bimmer-builds-a-highrider-gt-r/

Wow. AWD. Auto trans only. Twin turbos... On an M!!!! LOL :sun:

pax, smn

 

[dstig1]

For all the purists, well, time does move on. Try this from Autoblog on the new 2010 M series:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/10/first-drive-2010-bmw-x6-m-bimmer-builds-a-highrider-gt-r/

Wow. AWD. Auto trans only. Twin turbos... On an M!!!! LOL

pax, smn

It's not how fast it was, or the handling, or being a big engine in a Taurus. The look, the feel, the sound, and the uniqueness of the original car created a very distinct character, causing many people to instantly fall in love with it. The fact that it was also a game-changer and well ahead of its time in many respects of course only adds to that character.

The new car on the other hand could be offering a completely different kind of character that, while outstanding in its own context, doesn't compare to the original car. That doesn't make the new car better or worse, just different.

Once again, you are making way too much sense.

pax, smn

I find it odd that someone who signs all his posts "peace" is so obnoxiously dismissive of everyone who does not agree with him. People want what they want. Do you like chocolate? Well "we" are eliminating it and replacing it with something called choakolate that tastes like urine soaked ruhbarb and is hard and crunchy instead of melting in your mouth, but - hey - time moves on! Deal with it! Pick your pleasure, but the theme is the same.

Ford created an expectation with the Gen 1/2 SHOs, and the newest one is so different from that (same with Gen 3), that it does not fulfill that expectation with the new version. If Toy or Honda did that on the CamryAccord, their sales would have dropped like a stone. Duh. "This is nothing like the Camry I bought in 2002??!?!?!" In business you set expectations and then use that loyalty by building succesvie generations that improve on it while connecting with the past.

Or in Mr Newberg's world, you tell people what they should like and if they don't, then "tough". And of course, you then go out of business, if your new "vision," that happens to be 120 degrees out from the original, is wrong.

But as you so like to say "stop talking sense". You can't accept that others have different opinions than you. This SHO is great to many and a great disappointment to many (so far...). But you can't seem to allow that there are opinions other than yours. Sad, really.

Jeesh. Why does anyone bother with trying rational discussion on the internet? It's like a bunch of 3 yr olds screaming "did too!" "did not!" Cite all the examples you like. I still want what I want, like many others, and am not yet seeing that in the Gen 4. Hopefully it will come.

Pax, buddy.

NFT

-Dave

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

I find it odd that someone who signs all his posts "peace" is so obnoxiously dismissive of everyone who does not agree with him. People want what they want. Do you like chocolate? Well "we" are eliminating it and replacing it with something called choakolate that tastes like urine soaked ruhbarb and is hard and crunchy instead of melting in your mouth, but - hey - time moves on! Deal with it! Pick your pleasure, but the theme is the same.

Wow do you also have an account on honda temple. For future reference that was not even close to funny. Nice try tho.

Ford created an expectation with the Gen 1/2 SHOs, and the newest one is so different from that (same with Gen 3), that it does not fulfill that expectation with the new version.

You're right. How dare they improve this new SHO in almost every single category and try to make us like it.

In business you set expectations and then use that loyalty by building succesvie generations that improve on it while connecting with the past.

Let's see there has been succesive generations. I won't even bother to list how many areas it has been improved on and I believe there is that connection to the past you feel is necessary.

And of course, you then go out of business, if your new "vision," that happens to be 120 degrees out from the original, is wrong.

120 degrees. Maybe you are thinking of a different car. I do believe it is way more on mark then you are willing to admit.

This SHO is great to many and a great disappointment to many (so far...). But you can't seem to allow that there are opinions other than yours. Sad, really.

What's sad is your whole paragraph of complaining is exactly what he was doing. You have cited your reasons and offered up what you believe to be valid examples. You are trying to get your point across so what is what him or anyone else so sad about.

I still want what I want, like many others, and am not yet seeing that in the Gen 4. Hopefully it will come.

Don't hold your breath. There will not be a manual version. It will not get any lighter. It is now a fullsized car. If any of these are deal breakers then why continue to get mad because it isn't what you want. Production has started so it's too late now.



Just highlighting some things you wrote...Personally i see this SHO as more of a tribute than a reincarnation

 

[stephen newberg]

Wow, I guess the M review background really stung, I guess.

People, things change. The Gen I/II SHO was for market that existed getting toward 2 decades ago now. A full generation. The Gen III SHO was already shifting to target different things as the market changed. The Gen IV is just the ongoing progression of that change. To whine about change is the same as whining that the sky is blue.

Welcome to 2010.

pax, smn

 

[thebigjimsho]

Wow, I guess the M review background really stung, I guess.

People, things change. The Gen I/II SHO was for market that existed getting toward 2 decades ago now. A full generation. The Gen III SHO was already shifting to target different things as the market changed. The Gen IV is just the ongoing progression of that change. To whine about change is the same as whining that the sky is blue.

Welcome to 2010.

pax, smn

In 2010, I can still get the car I really want in a manual transmission. If you like to settle for things for the sake of change, be my guest. But it really is a shame that people here can't have opinions without your talking down to them...

 

[thebigjimsho]

I find it odd that someone who signs all his posts "peace" is so obnoxiously dismissive of everyone who does not agree with him.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

In 2010, I can still get the car I really want in a manual transmission. If you like to settle for things for the sake of change, be my guest. But it really is a shame that people here can't have opinions without your talking down to them...

I don't think he is talking down at all. He was just showing that this car was not aimed directly at purists.

The original only came in a 5 speed. The next generations had both. Finally the manual was eliminated in the Gen III's. In 1999 only automatics were available. The weight has steadily increased thru the generations along with lenght, wheelbase, engine size, and price while the performance went down.


Ford forgot about the purists a long time ago.