SHO review at nextautos.com

[stephen newberg]

I don't think he is talking down at all. He was just showing that this car was not aimed directly at purists.

Exactly. That is why whining is so silly. The complaining here is very much that this apple is not an orange. Duh. Get a life. Apples are never oranges. If you want an orange, go buy an orange. But shrilling away at people that have no problems with apples just because you want an orange is, in fact, the 3 year old attitude.

pax, smn

 

[thebigjimsho]

I don't think he is talking down at all. He was just showing that this car was not aimed directly at purists.

The original only came in a 5 speed. The next generations had both. Finally the manual was eliminated in the Gen III's. In 1999 only automatics were available. The weight has steadily increased thru the generations along with lenght, wheelbase, engine size, and price while the performance went down.


Ford forgot about the purists a long time ago.

Exactly. That is why whining is so silly. The complaining here is very much that this apple is not an orange. Duh. Get a life. Apples are never oranges. If you want an orange, go buy an orange. But shrilling away at people that have no problems with apples just because you want an orange is, in fact, the 3 year old attitude.

pax, smn

Exactly, Mr. Newberg? You just showed that the first quote was incorrect. Learn how to deal with others without being a *******...

I'm not shrilling. The SHO is what it is. I want a manual. I'll probably go elsewhere.

 

[buff30SHO]

The 2010 SHO without a clutch is bothersome, but not so bothersome that I don't want to check out the car. I have only owned manual transmission cars in my lifetime. I started with a '70 Maverick 3-speed. A '76 Porsche 912. Then we had our 2nd child and I needed a bigger back seat, so got one of those rare '84 ****** Turbo GTs. After that came the '92 Taurus SHO with a 5-speed. This beauty is 17 years old and 183,000 miles later she is almost done. I'll probably keep her in the garage for a while and take her out when I want to shift with a clutch.

I have a 2010 SHO on tentative order. I ordered the 400A base SHO with the 12S performance package. I won't have to buy it if I don't like it. I consider all the other electronic gadgets and moonroof as junk, so it will come in somewhere around $37,000 or less. The automatic with paddle shifters doesn't bother me. From what I hear about the car it will be better all the way around than my old '92. I'm not worried about the brakes. I've never smoked the brakes in the '92 and it's been up and down Pikes Peak twice. So I have to learn how to shift with a push/pull paddle. It's better than waiting for something that may never come around. I'm getting too old to wait. If you want a manual, get a manual somewhere else. Who really cares? I'll let you all know how I like the car if I buy it.

 

[stephen newberg]

<sigh>

Wasting my time. But the mirroring is certainly amusing.

I'll probably go elsewhere.

Yes, please. I am sure you can find an orange if you look for one instead of picking up apples all the time.

pax, smn

 

[thebigjimsho]

<sigh>

Wasting my time. But the mirroring is certainly amusing.



Yes, please. I am sure you can find an orange if you look for one instead of picking up apples all the time.

pax, smn

I'll still be here, though. I'll still be attending the National Conventions. I'll still be involved in the SHO community. And I won't have your garbage attitude...

 

[stephen newberg]

Good for you.

pax, smn

 

[Huntervf]

C'mon guys, this is getting ridiculous.

No, the new SHO is nothing like the original.

Yes, Ford elected to call the new performance Taurus a "SHO", and during the Chicago launch was very much trying to capitalize on drawing parallels between the new car and the old car, so YES, some comparison between the new and old car is to be expected. I definitely wouldn't say the comparison is apples to apples, but it's not apples to oranges either, and that's Ford's doing.

Only time will tell if the new SHO has the cred to build its own character and reputation. From my experience thus far, I believe it does, simply because people will be able to blink and make ridiculous amounts of power. Whether or not the trans or the AWD system holds, remains to be seen, but then again, the original SHO didn't fare well in the trans department, and it seems to have developed a loyal following.

 

[EB_SHO]

I don't think he is talking down at all. He was just showing that this car was not aimed directly at purists.

The original only came in a 5 speed. The next generations had both. Finally the manual was eliminated in the Gen III's. In 1999 only automatics were available. The weight has steadily increased thru the generations along with lenght, wheelbase, engine size, and price while the performance went down.


Ford forgot about the purists a long time ago.

Manuals are going away. The enthusists want them, but check the production numbers and I think you'll find that Ford sold more Auto SHOs than manual SHOs.

Somehow the product planners can't see that those few enthusist sales are why the masses buy the car. I'd like to see a manual trans as well, but I don't think we ever will.

 

[DemonNeno]

That's funny, it out paces the orginal SHO in every performance run.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0909_2010_ford_taurus_sho_test/index.html

Quarter mile in 13.7@103, 60-0 in under 115ft (112ft), skidpads at .90g and is LARGER than the original SHO.. By 1000lbs. And this is the first iteration. When Ford succeeds as a stronger driveline, it can free up the motors ECM limited torque band. Add 50ft lbs and you can pulls a few tenths of that pass. In luxury.

The original SHO attracted businessmen who wanted a sporty sedan. This will do just the same. The rest of us will ultimately wait to get our hands on the car 5years from now when the mod scene is incredible and all the nay sayers are hogging them up. Only problem is, all the SHO collectors won't have bigger drive ways... HAHA! More will be up for grabs!

 

[stephen newberg]

The original SHO attracted businessmen who wanted a sporty sedan. This will do just the same.

I am not sure. I think that is certainly so for the Gen III, and from reading the specs and reviews so far, it would seem to me that the Gen IV is from that same mold. But the Gen I/II seems to have been aimed rather differently, hence my apples (Gen III/IV) and oranges (Gen I/II) analogy. Both are fruits, that is sporty sedans, but at the time our oranges first appeared, I think they were designed and marketed for a very different target audience than our much later apples.

Regardless, I look forward to eventually trying one rather than just reading about it.

pax, smn

 

[thebigjimsho]

That's funny, it out paces the orginal SHO in every performance run.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0909_2010_ford_taurus_sho_test/index.html

Quarter mile in 13.7@103, 60-0 in under 115ft (112ft), skidpads at .90g and is LARGER than the original SHO.. By 1000lbs. And this is the first iteration. When Ford succeeds as a stronger driveline, it can free up the motors ECM limited torque band. Add 50ft lbs and you can pulls a few tenths of that pass. In luxury.

The original SHO attracted businessmen who wanted a sporty sedan. This will do just the same. The rest of us will ultimately wait to get our hands on the car 5years from now when the mod scene is incredible and all the nay sayers are hogging them up. Only problem is, all the SHO collectors won't have bigger drive ways... HAHA! More will be up for grabs!

I agree with you mostly until you talk about who the car will appeal to. There will be some who just want a sporty sedan. And there will be some who want an SHO just for the name. But what was out there from '89-'95? The SHO was at the top of the game domestically and certainly in the mix internationally. Nowadays, the game has changed. You can have your pick of sporty sedans. It will be interesting to see how the buying public respond to this car...

 

[OSU 4 SHO]

I agree with you mostly until you talk about who the car will appeal to. There will be some who just want a sporty sedan. And there will be some who want an SHO just for the name. But what was out there from '89-'95? The SHO was at the top of the game domestically and certainly in the mix internationally. Nowadays, the game has changed. You can have your pick of sporty sedans. It will be interesting to see how the buying public respond to this car...

I agree.

Seeing as they already have 1k rebates on them and they aren't even out yet, I think that is an indication of what Ford expects with the SHO. Sadly I think it will flop. Hopefully it doesn't and it gives Ford a reason to stick with this and give it a 5th generation with all of the right features.

 

[stephen newberg]

Seeing as they already have 1k rebates on them and they aren't even out yet, I think that is an indication of what Ford expects with the SHO.

If I understand the ads correctly, at least that much discount or more (even way more) is available on everything in the Ford line right now, not just the SHO, which would imply they are looking at pushing sales across the board rather than the discount being some reflection on poor sales prospects for the SHO in particular.

Sadly I think it will flop. Hopefully it doesn't and it gives Ford a reason to stick with this and give it a 5th generation with all of the right features.

Why do you think it will flop? Just because it does not have the particular design & market focus a particular group wants? And why do you think something different is "the right features"? Is it not possible that perhaps someone in the marketing area at Ford, the only one of the US car makers that has avoided going bankrupt and actually has increasing sales and market share, might have checked about a bit to see what would sell? That is, what might be "the right features" for the larger group, in the hopes of making it less likely to flop? Just something to consider.

pax, smn

 

[illSHOyou]

I think some of you guys need to shut up and go see one in person.

 

[stephen newberg]

I think you are right too, actually. This morning I succumbed to temptation and visited my local Ford dealership. I am now scheduled for a 2 hour test drive as soon as one with the performance package shows up.

pax, smn

 

[buff30SHO]

I just ordered one yesterday. Dealer says I don't have to buy it if for some reason I don't like it. I ordered the 400A base model with the performance package 12S in Atlantis green. I don't want or need any of the other gadgets. I'll miss the manual in my black '92 SHO that I bought new. I think I'll put her in the garage her and take her out when I want to use a clutch. Otherwise the paddle shifter will have to do.

 

[illSHOyou]

I think you are right too, actually. This morning I succumbed to temptation and visited my local Ford dealership. I am now scheduled for a 2 hour test drive as soon as one with the performance package shows up.

pax, smn

I'm going test driving too...

 

[DemonNeno]

Hahaha.. Interestingly enough, I've found that most of the SHO folks were business-like men. Keep in mind, I'm talking 13yrs ago! There was that appeal from the crowd of car hungry men who needed something civil and low key. Viola! The opposite of the pansy driven Corvette syndrome that plagued the fools of the 80s/early 90s and thought they're car was the ultimate road machine.. BAH!

Honestly, this car is figuratively high. It has a yupper overdose of goodies. The greenies like the idea of it being a "eco" something. The older dudes who want their wives to shut up about the new sedan they deserve for their family without sacrificing their manhood.. And ultimately, the Loyalists who know what a community can establish once they're together.

Projectively speaking, I see this as a barely-a-middle-class-citizen kinda car. The middle is starting to cave in and everyone else is holding their last penny between their cheeks! I hope my last remark isn't a fact and can proudly tell ya my cheeks are copper free, ya'see?!

 

[Goose]

The SHO bits transformed the car into a different vehicle with it's own personality and capabilities, which is why so many people put up with the crappy Taurus that surrounds the wonderful Yamaha engine.

This imho is very true. The engine in particular has always made the SHO. The new one maybe 365hp, but a plastic cover? Damn, they should have been a little more creative after a 10 year hiatus.

 

[Vnuk1]

This imho is very true. The engine in particular has always made the SHO. The new one maybe 365hp, but a plastic cover? Damn, they should have been a little more creative after a 10 year hiatus.

For sure on that one....