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Hello all, so yesterday I was driving along car felt great shifted out of third and into fourth gear and the car fell flat on its face no boost whatsoever no turbo spool and it has been like that for the past day tonight however, when I was leaving work. The car barely started and a huge cloud of white smoke came out the driver side tailpipe, so I immediately knew that I had a blown turbo attached below is the picture of the turbo what I’m asking is if the other one that I linked would be a suitable replacement or if I should just suck it up and pay $800 for OEM versus an offbrand i’m not looking to gain any performance but mainly to just gain reliability back in this car as I’m already on my way to DIY the timing chains as well at 133,000 miles so cost savings is of the essence. I have checked car parts.com and see some used ones however I want to hear people’s experience on used versus knockoff versus OEM turbo replacement as I know, the turbo failure is very common on these cars, and in all input would be very much appreciated. I have yet to get codes as I have to bother my neighbor for his card reader to see if I got any under boost codes. I have had P0016 for a while now due to the timing chain issues, but timing stays within 5° of desired on his scanner. The rear turbo was replaced at 88,000 miles from the previous owner and I have the paperwork for that I’m probably gonna end up inspecting the housing on that one too, but I’m just hoping the front one is the only one that went bad as it’s much much easier to do
 

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I would figure out what got ingested, that's a bigger concern. If the housing is not damaged, look for a replacement CHRA if you want to save some money. These are only aftermarket and while most are made in China, I found the ones from CR Performance Engineering Inc. are made in the UK by Melett.
 

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That's not blown... That's been metal part destroyed... Get to the bottom like Brad stated.
 
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So the turbo was destroyed by a metal part being ingested? The shaft had considerable play so I thought the housing just ate up the compressor wheel.. this isn’t sounding good for sure. If I drain the oil and there’s a lot of sparkles in it what is my best option to avoid a full engine replacement..
 

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It ingested something from the intake side. Pieces of material likely got past the turbo and fed into the intercooler and then maybe the intake. Nothing should be in the oil unless the ingested object destroyed a piston. I would trace things back to figure out what might have been ingested first. Then you can decide how bad the situation is. Regardless, pulling and cleaning all intake pipes and intercooler would be the next logical step. Hopefully the intercooler caught everything.
 
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It ingested something from the intake side. Pieces of material likely got past the turbo and fed into the intercooler and then maybe the intake. Nothing should be in the oil unless the ingested object destroyed a piston. I would trace things back to figure out what might have been ingested first. Then you can decide how bad the situation is. Regardless, pulling and cleaning all intake pipes and intercooler would be the next logical step. Hopefully the intercooler caught everything.
I live on a gravel road and this loss of power happened in the rain which is probably unrelated. Could it have been a rock? How exactly did the intake ingest something to do that much damage and now I assume I need to check the rear turbo as well which sounds even worse
 

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Something got past your air filter or maybe a bypass valve came apart (never heard of this but it's possible). Definitely check the rear turbo for damage. It doesn't take much to damage a compressor wheel spinning at 100,000 rpm.
 
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Something got past your air filter or maybe a bypass valve came apart (never heard of this but it's possible). Definitely check the rear turbo for damage. It doesn't take much to damage a compressor wheel spinning at 100,000 rpm.
Where would I check for damage in the intake system? These are pictures of my filter it looks fine not ripped or torn just some dirt in the bottom of the air box (the bolts are from attaching the air box.)
 

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Also my throttle body is clean but every tube I took off on the turbo piping and intercooler piping has oily residue and oil poured out of the turbo outlet piping that leads into the intercooler. The short one.
 

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Since these turbos are connected to the intercooler with separate charge pipes and separate intake pipes I am hoping I only need to replace the front turbo. I got some advice and will probably go with the BBB industries remanufactured turbo which ironically is the same part number as the turbo on there now. It’s $610 including core charge which gives $150 back making it $460. Or there’s the rotomaster aftermarket that’s been talked about on here before as being decent for $537
 

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Not to be a downer, with, 144k was there ever any intake carbon cleanup? If not carbon can break off and be ingested in the cylinder and tiny piece can destroy a turbo, as Brad points out spinning at 1000k rpm
 

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Oil in the charge pipes is normal. The picture of the airbox is showing the dirty side (pre-filter). The cover that goes over the filter is where clean air goes to the turbos. Something got sucked into that turbo for sure and the debris is likely sitting in the intercooler. You should try to put eyes on the rear turbo to make sure it's OK. Pull the pipe off the throttle body and see if you see any particles that got through the intercooler.
 

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It ingested the nut that holds the compressor wheel on the shaft.
 
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Not to be a downer, with, 144k was there ever any intake carbon cleanup? If not carbon can break off and be ingested in the cylinder and tiny piece can destroy a turbo, as Brad points out spinning at 1000k rpm
So you’re saying a piece of carbon hit the exhaust impeller and damaged it causing the turbo bearing to fail? Sounds plausible just want to make sure I’m thinking of this in the right way
 

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So you’re saying a piece of carbon hit the exhaust impeller and damaged it causing the turbo bearing to fail? Sounds plausible just want to make sure I’m thinking of this in the right way
That 'could' be an issue, - you look at the oil filters on the turbo lines? The starvation of oil on an unchanged turbo can cause turbo failure. Wanna guess if they changed the oil line filter could be clogged and oil starve the turbo,? Just guessing, to Brads point you have work to do to get to the bottom it.
 
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That 'could' be an issue, - you look at the oil filters on the turbo lines? The starvation of oil on an unchanged turbo can cause turbo failure. Wanna guess if they changed the oil line filter could be clogged and oil starve the turbo,? Just guessing, to Brads point you have work to do to get to the bottom it.
Sounds plausible to me I will check. Is there a filter on both sides of the line or just the turbo inlet itself?
 

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Look at the video he shows you. They both have it. One is shorter than the other. Watch the video.
 

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