new audio product

[thecrew2999]

heres something new i found i figured id show it here in case some of you plan on upgrading the sound system in their car.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3CeghOIEto/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=182850&I=044K200926


im sure it can be found cheaper since crutchfield is over charging everything

 

[K-Dawg]

Cool. Somebody buy them and tell me how they fit. I HATE having my speakers in the doors on the Taurus. The only problems I see are that kickpanels typically don't offer the midbass response that you get from a good door installation and QForms tend to be kind of flimsy so they'll probably need to be beefed up some.

 

[thecrew2999]

im interested how they would sound myself. they claim 5 1/2 speak in them or something with a tweeter spot for highs.. i think they would fit good cuz in the picture it shows how they clear the ebrake pedal quiet well.

 

[91SLOSHO]

just to add... i have made my own fiberglass kick panels for all 3 gen's.... just FYI if anyone is interested i'd be willing to make a few sets if i can find the old molds around here , and yes you're right about those being a little thin, if you layer the inside of them with dynamat or some other sound deadening material before putting them in, it makes a big difference

 

[SHO92]

Those Q-forms have been around for years. There was a guy in Texas that had them in a white 93 ATX, he competed in local stereo comps in Sound Quality, and from what I remember he was fairly successful. I think he went to IASCA nations 1 or 2 times. This was probably back around '98 or so.

I too have custom made fiberglass kickpanels. I have a 4" mid and 1" tweeter in them. I also have a 6" woofer in the door locations.

I really like the sound, but I'm taking them out and going back to a simpler coax speaker since the SHO is pretty much for track and weekend driving now.

91SLOSHO, do you have any pictures of your enclosures?

 

[91SLOSHO]

Those Q-forms have been around for years. There was a guy in Texas that had them in a white 93 ATX, he competed in local stereo comps in Sound Quality, and from what I remember he was fairly successful. I think he went to IASCA nations 1 or 2 times. This was probably back around '98 or so.

I too have custom made fiberglass kickpanels. I have a 4" mid and 1" tweeter in them. I also have a 6" woofer in the door locations.

I really like the sound, but I'm taking them out and going back to a simpler coax speaker since the SHO is pretty much for track and weekend driving now.

91SLOSHO, do you have any pictures of your enclosures?

i don't have any in the 91 at the moment... but i'll find them and snap some pictures

 

[artsho]

I have them in my 95.....got an extra set if anyones interested

 

[ShoGuy93]

I have them in my 95.....got an extra set if anyones interested

I'm very very very interested please pm me for a price! I want them! :wave:

 

[armerdan]

Man I would just put a 6 1/2" in the door and if you need more than that put some tweeters in the pillars, by the time you got that + a sub in the trunk and the what are they 5x7's or 6x9's in the rear deck, I just don't see the need for kick panels, seems to me they'd get in the way, just my .02

 

[30footSHO]

The idea is better imaging. I don't know about you, but at least half of my 6.5" speakers are obscured by the dashboard, and even more of that by the poor design of the grille in gen II SHOs. When properly aimed, kick panels should provide the best stereo imaging. You do, however, need to be careful where your feet go.

 

[armerdan]

The idea is better imaging. .

That's what the tweeters on the pillars are for. Since anything below about (realistically) 250 Hz is impossible to tell which direction it comes from, the location of woofers is not so vital. Bose sound systems for example exploit this property to the max, more in fact than I like, but that's just me. Tweeter location is most important for stereo imaging, which is why I'd rather have them on the pillars than on the floor.
Of course when talking about sound systems in a car or a home, until you get in to home studio applications, "good sound" is subjective, it really comes down to personal preference.

P.S. my mistake the rears are 6x8's

 

[SHO92]

The reason for having kick panels is that it actually makes the speakers closer to the same distance from the listener. Sit in the car and measure from the drivers head to the base of each pillar, or the triangle behind the door mirrors.

Now measure the middle of each kick panel. The numbers for the kick panels are closer than the pillars. Like was mentioned, when angled properly, the image is actually about dash board level, though the center console in the SHO brings it down some.

I'm taking my kickpanels out because they take up too much room on the drivers side floor the way I have them done. They also block the dead pedal area and are a pain to remove when I go to the track. I'm switch back to just door speakers and maybe tweeters on the pillar or dash corners, simply for simplicity.

 

[armerdan]

If you fade 2 db to the right and 1 db to the rear it counters the imaging problem. distance between the listener and tweeters doesn't matter for imaging as long as levels are adjusted to match. Phasing issues arise when the distance between listener and speakers is different, which is why you want to try to keep your speakers about the same distance from you (not so much for imaging more for phasing), but I leave my oscilloscope in my sound studio, so I won't notice, besides there is a far greater phase shift between front and rear than there is left to right if tweeters mounted on the pillars are angled correctly the sound stage should be about ear level. another fun fact about speakers mounted in the rear deck or on the dash board is that the treble out of such speakers is not designed to radiate directly, but to bounce off the glass.

I got rid of my kick panels for the same reasons you are getting rid of yours, that and I thought they sounded like crap, I had Sony 5.25" components in mine.

 

[30footSHO]

If you fade 2 db to the right and 1 db to the rear it counters the imaging problem. distance between the listener and tweeters doesn't matter for imaging as long as levels are adjusted to match. Phasing issues arise when the distance between listener and speakers is different, which is why you want to try to keep your speakers about the same distance from you (not so much for imaging more for phasing), but I leave my oscilloscope in my sound studio, so I won't notice, besides there is a far greater phase shift between front and rear than there is left to right if tweeters mounted on the pillars are angled correctly the sound stage should be about ear level. another fun fact about speakers mounted in the rear deck or on the dash board is that the treble out of such speakers is not designed to radiate directly, but to bounce off the glass.

I got rid of my kick panels for the same reasons you are getting rid of yours, that and I thought they sounded like crap, I had Sony 5.25" components in mine.

Not a fan of Sony speakers here. But then, I like stuff that's too expensive.

I found also that aftermarket decks with time correction helped the imaging problem greatly. Unfortunately, I sold the Alpine that had this feature and am stuck with a crappy Pioneer.