Mustang GT Brembos

[RandR10]

What's interesting is, I was chatting with some guy overseas on IG that managed to fit BMW X5M 16" rotors on his XSport (at least that's where he said he sourced them). And used the Brembos off it. The XSport and the SHO share the same rotors, btw. I saw the pic, but who knows...lol. Let me see if I can find that photo...

EDIT: Found em...I don't have many details on how they got it to work.
EDIT: Changed word configuration so as to avoid confusion as to what I meant to type...ugh...it's 1AM, LOL...

I'm intrigued by this. By XSport you just mean the Explorer Sport, correct? I would imagine that a custom bracket would be necessary to make this happen just like on the Wilwoods, but if you could find some X5M rotors and calipers for cheap it could be a pretty trick brake upgrade for relatively low $$$.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

I'm intrigued by this. By XSport you just mean the Explorer Sport, correct? I would imagine that a custom bracket would be necessary to make this happen just like on the Wilwoods, but if you could find some X5M rotors and calipers for cheap it could be a pretty trick brake upgrade for relatively low $$$.

That's correct on the XSport. But yeah, he wasn't clear on what was done to make them fit, but I'm pretty sure there was some sort of bracket made.

 

[Jordan_R]

Jordan if it’s so affordable sell me the ones you’ve designed and manufactured because I would really like to sit back and stop trying to innovate improvements for the platform with my career related skillset and have someone such as yourself just do it all for me for practically free.

 

[RandR10]

Aaron240's brackets are basically one off prototypes as far as the machine shop is concerned, not a mass produced part. This is why they cost so much. Lots of setup time goes into it, so good luck finding a place to do it for less than $450. That actually sounds pretty reasonable considering. I doubt they're making a ton of money on the deal either.

 

[GotGrip?]

Aaron240's brackets are basically one off prototypes as far as the machine shop is concerned, not a mass produced part. This is why they cost so much. Lots of setup time goes into it, so good luck finding a place to do it for less than $450. That actually sounds pretty reasonable considering. I doubt they're making a ton of money on the deal either.

Agreed, shop set up, CAD design, material, all have a cost +mark up. Coming from a bodyshop background, everything we touch has a 25% mark up, we do the admin for it we need to pay the people that do that admin. If my cost on a sublet is $400, I still have to mark it up 25% and to my knowledge that is pretty universal for most big companies. I doubt he is making more than $25-50 per kit at the price he is selling them.

Edit: Unless he is buying a large order around 100+ part I doubt he will see any kind of discount to help with his profit. Seems more like he is trying to bring more options to the platform so it can keep evolving and people are just being ***** (not just this thread) because its all new products from the new guy.

 

[Jordan_R]

Aaron240's brackets are basically one off prototypes as far as the machine shop is concerned, not a mass produced part. This is why they cost so much. Lots of setup time goes into it, so good luck finding a place to do it for less than $450. That actually sounds pretty reasonable considering. I doubt they're making a ton of money on the deal either.

Let's take a trip down fantasy world for a moment. He made the cad file himself and is having someone else cnc the brackets for him. If the brackets are $450 and he's selling for $600 then that means you're still paying $1200 to still use stock rotors lol. All you're getting is clamping surface area over stock. $1200 for barely, if any, improvement. Why it's absolutely crazy. Even if the brackets were say $300 plus the $600 calipers it's still too much. This platform isn't a get rich quick platform. I don't care how niche and exclusive the work is if it's not worth it then it's not worth it. I got my custom kirkey seat brackets made up in cad, produced in aluminum and steel water jet cut and hardware provided with seat also installed for $150. I refuse to believe two cnc machined brackets with cad file provided would cost $450.

If this really was such a great deal then this wouldn't be a discussion at all.

 

[GotGrip?]

Let's take a trip down fantasy world for a moment. He made the cad file himself and is having someone else cnc the brackets for him. If the brackets are $450 and he's selling for $600 then that means you're still paying $1200 to still use stock rotors lol. All you're getting is clamping surface area over stock. $1200 for barely, if any, improvement. Why it's absolutely crazy. Even if the brackets were say $300 plus the $600 calipers it's still too much. This platform isn't a get rich quick platform. I don't care how niche and exclusive the work is if it's not worth it then it's not worth it. I got my custom kirkey seat brackets made up in cad, produced in aluminum and steel water jet cut and hardware provided with seat also installed for $150. I refuse to believe two cnc machined brackets with cad file provided would cost $450.

If this really was such a great deal then this wouldn't be a discussion at all.

To be fair, the brackets being made need to withstand far more weight and abuse than some seat brackets. They need to be a specific grade of material and even if he made the CAD file they still would have needed someone to possibly back it into their system which sometimes isn't a 2 click or drag n drop process. There would have needed to be bench testing for the product to make sure it can handle the weight/stress/abuse. My only background in CAD/Manufacturing is rotary and flat die making and even if a customer brought in a CAD design, it would need to be backed into the system or re-engineered to match the system or actually work.

 

[skyshadow07]

That's a good deal on that seat bracket. I would hardly put sheet metal design CAD in the same ballpark of what he did. lol The fact that you compared the two shows ignorance of the industry. What's the bolt hole size for that seat bracket anyways?

 

[802SHO]

I have to agree with Jordan specifically on price. I don’t see these brackets being worth more than $200 and the reason I won’t buy them. My experience with CAD and understanding of it all which may be skewed...my splitter for instance. It wouldn’t matter if it was metal or plastic or whatever. My guy tells me it’s 15 min of that to set up the water jet, he doesn’t even feel the need to charge me. I’ve been lucky I haven’t had pay for the CAD drawing or any cutting, just material. I think his best chance of doing anything with it is to lower the price. I want to see Aaron be successful with his time. So not trying to knock him but I think there’s a fair amount that really is going into the pockets here. Maybe it’s ignorance or a false intuition but I don’t think the price is right. Aaron is smart, if he knew the best material to use by researching it then I don’t think much is to be tested. Research strong material make a couple sets. I don’t know why he himself never ran them on his car but Lee tried them out. I don’t know of much improvement over stock other than they are lighter and look good. But for 1200 I would pony up a little more and buy Wilwood rotors and calipers/pads.

 

[Jordan_R]

That's a good deal on that seat bracket. I would hardly put sheet metal design CAD in the same ballpark of what he did. lol The fact that you compared the two shows ignorance of the industry. What's the bolt hole size for that seat bracket anyways?

That's not the point of the comparison. The point was that I can get something designed, produced and installed for $150. Given this is CNC and all but him providing the cad file and while the comparison isn't fresh but when he was first producing these my buddy before a falling out who runs a six figure DMG MORI mill said with a proper cad file he could produce those things for a fraction of the price so I'm not completely blind to concept. This is all besides the fact that the improvement isn't worth it. Like I said being offered free brackets I didn't care to do it because the cost of calipers alone is not worth it.

 

[802SHO]

10-12 knuckles are not the same as 13+. Can’t remember if you need new knuckles for the brakes but if you do any 10-12 would be looking at about $300 more so about $1500 for larger calipers/pads. Oh and rotors too right? 13+ rotors and now you might as well buy WilWood

 

[Jordan_R]

10-12 knuckles are not the same as 13+. Can’t remember if you need new knuckles for the brakes but if you do any 10-12 would be looking at about $300 more so about $1500 for larger calipers/pads. Oh and rotors too right? 13+ rotors and now you might as well buy WilWood

Yup front and rear brakes on 10-12 are different. Fronts being smaller and rears I'm not sure if smaller but pretty sure they aren't vented.

 

[Matt Dylan]

As expected and how this proceeded in the past as well, people of the SHO platform "really want a big brake kit with more heavy duty calipers and rotors from the mustang." However, when a feasible bolt on upgrade option does become available, no one follows through. I wish you big brake enthusiasts the best of luck sizing and specifying adequate calipers and rotors along with designing/fabricating your own mounting solution.

My interest has not "faded" on big brakes. I just didn't think I had to order asap considering the whole front end of my sho is torn down and I'm trying to fix it in between fixing everyone else's cars. I can order this week if time is critical. I have spent 2 weeks obsessing over calipers, piston diameter, piston coatings, piston area, one off brackets, bracket adapters, aero4/6 vs superlite 4/6, master cylinders etc...all just trying to make sure that I get it right the first time. And in all the searching I never heard of your brackets at all. But as far as I can tell, while you sell your brackets for $650, tce is selling their brackets for like $1000 or something crazy. So don't count me out yet. I don't know about anyone else's plans for their brakes, but this thread was started for me and my car.

 

[SM105K]

My interest has not "faded" on big brakes. I just didn't think I had to order asap considering the whole front end of my sho is torn down and I'm trying to fix it in between fixing everyone else's cars. I can order this week if time is critical. I have spent 2 weeks obsessing over calipers, piston diameter, piston coatings, piston area, one off brackets, bracket adapters, aero4/6 vs superlite 4/6, master cylinders etc...all just trying to make sure that I get it right the first time. And in all the searching I never heard of your brackets at all. But as far as I can tell, while you sell your brackets for $650, tce is selling their brackets for like $1000 or something crazy. So don't count me out yet. I don't know about anyone else's plans for their brakes, but this thread was started for me and my car.

I know you are new here, however....no thread is just for the OP and his car.

 

[RandR10]

The part of the knuckle that the caliper brackets bolt to is the same. I put the 13+ HD brakes on my 2011 and they bolted right up. The place that the 13+ cars differ is how the strut mounts.

 

[Matt Dylan]

10-12 knuckles are not the same as 13+. Can’t remember if you need new knuckles for the brakes but if you do any 10-12 would be looking at about $300 more so about $1500 for larger calipers/pads. Oh and rotors too right? 13+ rotors and now you might as well buy WilWood

I'm pretty sure people have been doing explorer brake swaps on 10-12 cars forever, so I don't think I need knuckles.

 

[Matt Dylan]

Matthew thank you for interest,

I accept PayPal and my username is [email protected]. The cost of the Superlight 4 or Aero6 adapter bracket kit for the Taurus SHO with mounting hardware is $600, shipping for this kit being $25, potentially less on shipping if i can find an adequately sized flat rate box. $625 would be the total order amount. My machine shop vendor usually can get the order manufactured in 3-4 weeks depending on their production lead time. I can check with him once you decide to move forward and can then get a more precise lead time.

1a. Use the Superlight 4 with the 4.84 piston area or the Aero6 with the 5.40 piston area. This size is specified as it needs to match as close as possible to the stock piston area or the awd, traction control, ABS will go nuts and will cause performance and safety issues and concerns.
1b. Lee has successfully used the Aero6 with the 5.40 piston area which is what I calculated would be the best fit for the Taurus SHO and his car operates flawlessly.

2. The knuckles of the 2010-12 should be the same as the 2013 as the oem rotors and calipers are interchangeable. This brake kit is designed around using the 2013+ rotor so that will be required and it is reqomended to use the 2013+ master cylinder as well.

3. Unfortunately no, I only have designed brake kits for the Aero6 and the Super-Light 4 calipers. The Aero6 is the cream of the crop so to speak but the overall kit cost doesn't seem financially justifiable and no one other than Lee purchased a kit. The Superlight 4 is the best bang for the buck and also is a weight savings over stock which is why i chose that caliper to use in the kit I designed.

4. Both the Aero6 and the Superlight4 are great high quality calipers. I personally would go with the Superlight 4 due to the weight savings and they are more affordable than the Aero6.

5. No, It is not cost effective to modify the rear brakes, just use PP pads on oem 2013+ rear caliper and rotors. The front brakes do 70% of the brake work anyways so modifying the front is all that is necessary. Also modifying the rear brakes would require removal of the parking brake which a safety concern.

6. The 2013+ Taurus SHO OEM one piece front rotors are 14". They are cost effective and aftermarket rotors for the 2013+ SHO can be had in drilled and slotted configurations. The 14" 2 piece rotor is very expensive and will prevent the kit from being marketable so I have not pursued that.

I don't agree with the people that don't like the price. I've done the math and I figure I'm probably saving close to $1000 over tce. I don't have a problem with you getting money in exchange for your innovation. Like you said, someone else can engineer brackets and bring them to market for cheaper if they want.

 

[Jordan_R]

I don't agree with the people that don't like the price. I've done the math and I figure I'm probably saving close to $1000 over tce. I don't have a problem with you getting money in exchange for your innovation. Like you said, someone else can engineer brackets and bring them to market for cheaper if they want.

I wouldn't pay for TCE either but one defining feature is that they are using bigger than oem size rotors

 

[RandR10]

Yup front and rear brakes on 10-12 are different. Fronts being smaller and rears I'm not sure if smaller but pretty sure they aren't vented.

Correct. the fronts are smaller, so different brackets and calipers in addition to the rotors if you want to go with 13+ HD brakes. The rears are about the same size but not vented. I'm not sure on the rears because I never changed mine, but the part of the front knuckle that the caliper bracket mounts to is the same for the earlier cars, it's just the strut mount that differs.

 

[802SHO]

I'm pretty sure people have been doing explorer brake swaps on 10-12 cars forever, so I don't think I need knuckles.

Forever? Oh. Excuse my ignorance. I’m new to the scene