Livernois IC vs GH IC?

[Substantia Nigra]

I hear great things about GH IC but nothing about Livernois IC, anyone have experience with their street IC?

https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP439992/2010-2019-ford-taurus-sho-street-intercooler

 

[Bluezone]

First thing I noticed about the liver crap intercooler is the 90° turn on the outlet. Gearhead is cast, nicer turn transition on the GH unit in comparison.

 

[ridered74]

No personal experience, the only person I've seen buy the LMS one on facebook was complaining about it not being a direct fit and that they had to hack up the front end to get it to fit. I think that was the race intercooler not the street one. They didn't ever post anything about getting it in and if it worked well tho.

 

[Bluezone]

Well, if you read their advertising blurb, some trimming is necessary with the street version. So same issue.

 

[Substantia Nigra]

Could be you'd have to trim, but this is only 1.5" thick and the GH IC is 1 5/8" thick iirc, and the LMS one is 2 3/4" thick, so it's likely.

I'm seeing what you mean by the 90 deg, the GH has a slight flare where the pipe outlet meets the body of the IC. Not sure how dramatic it is on the inside. I wonder how the weight compares.

 

[Substantia Nigra]

good view of that flared base @ 7:24 on this vid

 

[Bluezone]

Well I used to borescope on my Gearhead intercooler before I installed it. All internal transitions, including side tanks to tubes, was done up very nicely and smoothly. All tube ends were nice and flush and smooth, and unusual thing to see. So I can only speak for the Gearhead intercooler.
With the air flow your you are always talking about energy. Either potential or actual. The compressor stage of the turbocharger trades velocity for pressure in the compressor casting Volute. So high AirSpeed is turned into air pressure. Because pressure moves from high pressure to low pressure. The high pressure in the Volute backs up and creates velocity as it moves toward the lower pressure, at the intercooler Inlet. So you have a mix of velocity and pressure. On the Collector tank of the intercooler this velocity Ram's air in and creates higher pressure. This is a good thing because the air has to travel through the restricted space of the cooling tubing. Of course traveling through the tubing increases velocity again, high pressure to low. So you have many small streams of high velocity. This then emerges into the collection tank at the other end of the intercooler. Where again velocity is traded for pressure. Here it then travels to the outlet pipe on the intercooler. A smooth transition reduces pressure backup and maintains some of the velocity. A sharp transition, will increase pressure buildup and turbulence. This can end up reducing velocity out the intercooler. Every transition you make through this path, turbocharger to throttle body reduces potential or real energy. It also creates restriction, reducing overall total air flow. You want to make as few transitions from pressure to Velocity and velocity to pressure as possible in order to reduce restriction to airflow.
Also do not forget that compressing air increases temperature. Trading pressure for velocity reduces pressure and reduces temperature. To really make this Cooling effect work for you though it would require an increase in exit tank volume that would be unusably large and reduced pressure way too much.

 

[Ta2dResqr]

I have only used the GH intercooler. I can say that the fit is perfect. Literally the only downside I can find is that the GH logo gets hidden by the A/C condenser.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Like others are saying, we have nothing to go off on the LMS IC other than the marketing details. I know a few people who have ordered them, but no install or performance feedback yet.

It could end up being a gold mine, or it could end up being a stock replacement. We'll have to unfortunately wait for someone to guinea pig it and report back finding on IAT and Pressure drop changes.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Nah....hard pass on any LMS product. Everything tthey do is substandard. I don't see how this will be any different. I wouldn't shit in a bucket for that clown show of a shop even if it WAS mildly better.

 

[DadMobile]

GH all the way, it drops in and is well designed. I doubt LMS will sell many units because most SHO owners do not want to hack up their car.

 

[Boochy47]

Gh

 

[Substantia Nigra]

I'm sensing a theme...
Thanks for all the input. I went with GH for my tune and have been extremely impressed, will wait for them to restock their IC and see if I can grab one.

While everyone is here, can I get some advice on where to burn my cash next? Bought a 2013 FPIS EB 93k mi for cheap at auction, replaced dead PTU, control arms, tie rods, engine and trans mounts. I have usual bolt-ons: EPP intake, Dicunzolo struts, catch can, 3 bar map, gapped plugs from GH, GH tune. I live in a very cold, rural area, with no access to E85 or pure methanol. It's a fun project but not planned to be a race-only car.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

I'm sensing a theme...
Thanks for all the input. I went with GH for my tune and have been extremely impressed, will wait for them to restock their IC and see if I can grab one.

While everyone is here, can I get some advice on where to burn my cash next? Bought a 2013 FPIS EB 93k mi for cheap at auction, replaced dead PTU, control arms, tie rods, engine and trans mounts. I have usual bolt-ons: EPP intake, Dicunzolo struts, catch can, 3 bar map, gapped plugs from GH, GH tune. I live in a very cold, rural area, with no access to E85 or pure methanol. It's a fun project but not planned to be a race-only car.

Downpipes or mail order methanol.

 

[SeanDev]

I thought by now the moderator would have considered "Livernois" an obscene word and have it blacklisted .

 

[Ta2dResqr]

EPP Intake only or Hot Pipes as well? If no Hot Pipes, add them to the list. HPFP. You say you don't have access to pure methanol. A methanol system can still be beneficial. You can use Low Temp/Winter windshield washer fluid. PPE catted downpipes. 3rd cat/resonator delete. Maintenance items (fluids, suspension, etc.). Performance brakes. Cleaning condenser, trans cooler, ptu cooler, etc.

 

[Substantia Nigra]

EPP Intake only or Hot Pipes as well? If no Hot Pipes, add them to the list. HPFP. You say you don't have access to pure methanol. A methanol system can still be beneficial. You can use Low Temp/Winter windshield washer fluid. PPE catted downpipes. 3rd cat/resonator delete. Maintenance items (fluids, suspension, etc.). Performance brakes. Cleaning condenser, trans cooler, ptu cooler, etc.

Intake only. Was going to get charge pipe for easier install of a meth bung, if that's the route I took. There's certainly plenty that can be done, just looking for advice on what should be *next* given mostly cold climate, no e85, and no easy access to pure meth (other than buying M1 online). I'm not opposed to running a dependent washer fluid meth kit.

 

[Ta2dResqr]

Intake only. Was going to get charge pipe for easier install of a meth bung, if that's the route I took. There's certainly plenty that can be done, just looking for advice on what should be *next* given mostly cold climate, no e85, and no easy access to pure meth (other than buying M1 online). I'm not opposed to running a dependent washer fluid meth kit.

The Hot Pipes are beneficial as you begin to make more power. The plastic/rubber pipes that you have left are what contain all of the boost. as you tune and create more boost, and cool the air better, creating a denser mixture, you will be creating more outward force on those old weaker parts. The EPP Hot Pipes will do a much better job. They are aluminum and silicon with higher-grade clamps. When you go to purchase these, you will be able to opt for the meth bung (Mine currently has a plug until I make the leap to meth.), you will also need to decide on BOV or BPV. Many people VTA with their BPV and/or go to BOV. A BOV will be able to deal with higher volumes of air. Personally, I am not shooting that high on my goals. I prefer to use a BPV and no VTA. This lowers my turbo lag and adds to the sleeper image of the whole car.

 

[DadMobile]

Intake only. Was going to get charge pipe for easier install of a meth bung, if that's the route I took. There's certainly plenty that can be done, just looking for advice on what should be *next* given mostly cold climate, no e85, and no easy access to pure meth (other than buying M1 online). I'm not opposed to running a dependent washer fluid meth kit.

Have you checked any Bike or ATV type shops? They tend to carry M1.

 

[CCXVI]

Who the **** would trust anything from LMS? I joined this forum 6 years ago just for help with their tunes lmao. They lied to me, they lied to others, they lied to BPD, I can't fathom why they're even developing for this platform after we all know how shady they are.