Jukebox Joke

[warden]

It's not so much that I need all of it...I just like to have my whole music library available. I listen to a wide variety of music ranging from the mid-60's though today, rock, metal, rap, and some other various types. Different days, I want to hear different stuff.

Good call, exactly what I am saying.

And to be devils advocate i'll say 'what some people don't understand is why people need 350hp and twin turbos'!! Because we can and we are big fat americans.

 

[hawkeye18]

And who's blaming ford, just saying the system they have implemented is a joke compared to what they could have done and what I will do. Probably would have been cheaper for ford with less licensing rules to do what I am going to do.

You just really don't understand how this system works, don't you? I'll spell it out for you.

1. Ford develops and produces an easy-to-use system like one you described.

2. Ford saves a bunch of money because it was easy and quick.

3. RIAA sues Ford for $100,000 + punitive damages for each and every single unit Ford produced, because Ford enabled piracy.

4. Ford goes bankrupt.

You might be going, "There's no way that'd happen!" And in a normal world, you might be right. But this is the world in which RIAA sues 80-year old grandmothers and 9-year old girls for "enabling piracy" (using Limewire and letting others download music from them). For $100,000 per song. And you'd better believe that's exactly what would happen if Ford took your ideas and used them.

What works for you and what works for a large multinational corporation are two completely different things.

I am a dude, think you know that and you are a putz.

I have every single Pink Floyd Album, Every Beatles Album, Every Johnny Cash Album, Every Steely Dan Album, Every ACDC Album, Every Joe Bonamassa Album, Every Modest Mouse Album, Every Doors Album, and the list goes on and on. Puting it on random and hearing all the deep cuts of different music is what I like to do. Get a clue. Why are you attacking? I am deeply disapointed in the Jokebox. Don't take that personally. Are you invested in it?

A putz! What raucous indignation!

I'm not attacking you, you punchinello. I'm making light of your Quixotic tilting.

Do you take pride in your musical harem? Your phrase "deep cuts" suggests an ersatz musical erudition. Tell me, how many music theory courses have you attended?

No matter. Music is not in question here, technology is. More specifically, the politics of technology. Here, you display a conspicuous naïveté, which is fine, but putting forth a mix of intentional obliviousness and scornful disdain towards others' attempts to enlighten you on the motives of Ford is simply insulting.

So indeed I ask you, why are you attacking, duuuuude?

Someone must know where this port is.

Start by opening up your glove box all the way (past the stops), and then (with a flashlight) peering straight up. You should see a small black box that has a mini-usb port on it. You may have to fumble around with your hands to feel for it.

 

[Unknown_Driver]

this thread is the dumbest of threads so far in the gen 4's


I ask that you please use the search function from now on before creating a thread


but since this thread is stupid I will help out

Go to the computer store (not best buy or radioshack big box whatever) something like newegg

purchase a 2.5" laptop hard drive since this thread is stupid you might as well buy solid state because you are a big spender for buying a new SHO, also purchase a portable usb powered enclosure anything that doesn't require external power other than that one usb... format the hard drive to whatever ford likes drag all your music to the hard drive and plug it in
voila


got new music? walk outside to the car unplug the hard drive from the usb port.... walk back inside or you can drag a laptop with you outside both seem very difficult if you have a cane/walker handicap issue and plug the hard drive into the computer or wherever the new music is stored and you get the point?

really do you plan on listening to 500GB worth of music? let alone scrolling through all of it especially with a Sirius equipped radio?

 

[warden]

You just really don't understand how this system works, don't you? I'll spell it out for you.

1. Ford develops and produces an easy-to-use system like one you described.

2. Ford saves a bunch of money because it was easy and quick.

3. RIAA sues Ford for $100,000 + punitive damages for each and every single unit Ford produced, because Ford enabled piracy.

4. Ford goes bankrupt.

You might be going, "There's no way that'd happen!" And in a normal world, you might be right. But this is the world in which RIAA sues 80-year old grandmothers and 9-year old girls for "enabling piracy" (using Limewire and letting others download music from them). For $100,000 per song. And you'd better believe that's exactly what would happen if Ford took your ideas and used them.

What works for you and what works for a large multinational corporation are two completely different things.



A putz! What raucous indignation!

I'm not attacking you, you punchinello. I'm making light of your Quixotic tilting.

Do you take pride in your musical harem? Your phrase "deep cuts" suggests an ersatz musical erudition. Tell me, how many music theory courses have you attended?

No matter. Music is not in question here, technology is. More specifically, the politics of technology. Here, you display a conspicuous naïveté, which is fine, but putting forth a mix of intentional obliviousness and scornful disdain towards others' attempts to enlighten you on the motives of Ford is simply insulting.

So indeed I ask you, why are you attacking, duuuuude?




Start by opening up your glove box all the way (past the stops), and then (with a flashlight) peering straight up. You should see a small black box that has a mini-usb port on it. You may have to fumble around with your hands to feel for it.

What ever man, you called me a girl and thats what I responded to.
And as far as 'Deep Cuts', do you listen to satelite radio and regular radio that plays the same music over and over. It is aweful. No freaking music degree needed there. Let me dump all my music on a system fast, not take 50 freaking hours to fill up. My OT was about the Jukebox being a disapointment - obviously a hard drive can do what ever we want.

And as far as piracy is concerned - what is the difference between downloading music illegally, burning as an audio CD and copying to the Jokebox OR copying a vast amount of MP3's at once? MP3's that I buy online and have rights to? Come on guys why can't you see my point here? Why are you defending a system that could be better because of the LAW? Are you a legal expert as well as a music expert and a symantec expert? And you vocabulary is quite vast too, must also be an engrish major. Are you putting a CHIP in your car then taking it out when you go in for service so ford doesn't know your changing the program of the car?

THe system could be better and not take 50 hours to fill up completely. I want to go out to the car right now and upload a ton of music I have for my 15 hour trip one way that I am taking on Friday. That is my beef.

 

[warden]

this thread is the dumbest of threads so far in the gen 4's


I ask that you please use the search function from now on before creating a thread


but since this thread is stupid I will help out

Go to the computer store (not best buy or radioshack big box whatever) something like newegg

purchase a 2.5" laptop hard drive since this thread is stupid you might as well buy solid state because you are a big spender for buying a new SHO, also purchase a portable usb powered enclosure anything that doesn't require external power other than that one usb... format the hard drive to whatever ford likes drag all your music to the hard drive and plug it in
voila


got new music? walk outside to the car unplug the hard drive from the usb port.... walk back inside or you can drag a laptop with you outside both seem very difficult if you have a cane/walker handicap issue and plug the hard drive into the computer or wherever the new music is stored and you get the point?

really do you plan on listening to 500GB worth of music? let alone scrolling through all of it especially with a Sirius equipped radio?

Go back to school and learn to comprehend context. The first post is about the disaopointment in the Jukebox portion of the system and the disapointment of the jukebox system only. How is an external Hard Drive or SSHD going to resolve that? It is not, but it will help out on other portions of teh entertainment.
I was hoping that someone on here has been puzzled by the lack of options to get music onto the jukebox hard drive and come up with a work around. Instead it is the dumbest thread ever. :swing:

EDIT: And yes I would love to put the system on Random and listen to all my music. That is what I do at work with 33,000 songs and at home. WINAMP freaking rules. Why couldn't ford have installed WINAMP in their car. Damn communists. And FYI, that is a really lame azz joke.

 

[warden]

Anybody else annoyed that you can only record to the jokebox from an Audio CD that contains maybe 20-23 songs? And it records so slow! 3000 songs 20 at a time is a joke. With all this technology why can’t I insert a CD with 150 MP3's and copy over.
Also, it will not record Audio DVD's. Audio DVD's in 5.1 sound so good on the stock system but you can't copy them to the hard drive. What BS.
I have yet to try and copy from a USB device to the Jokebox but am under the impression it will not work either. What a joke.

Do these cars have a USB diagnostic port in here that we can install our own USB hard drive (say 80gb) and have all my music on that? My dad does this in his F150.
I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150gb of music and only buy CD's when I really love the music and want the best quality I can get. I do buy a lot of Audio DVD's but the selection is limited.

If I am mistaken at all please let me know what I can do to push more music to the Jokebox faster.

Love my SHO tho.

Anybody else annoyed that you can't copy vast amounts of music to the Jukebox?

 

[warden]

And what is the difference of RIM and Blackberry having a music folder that you can copy music to and a hard drive in a car that you can't? They are a big corporation that is not going bankrupt.

If you can't do something legally one way then find another.

 

[mjhpadi]

I want to go out to the car right now and upload a ton of music I have for my 15 hour trip one way that I am taking on Friday. That is my beef.

I understand that you want this car to have all the latest high tech computer stuff, but remember a lot of us can't use have the things that Sync is capable of doing now...so if it is more complicated it would be even more of a problem...not something I want to deal with in a vehicle...I am even a bit upset when I have to get help to figure some of the functions now.

Besides, here's a novel idea, instead of concentrating so much on music...why not pay attention to driving. Gee, imagine how bad it must have been in ancient times when the only thing you could do in a car was listen to AM radio...can you even begin to think how terrible it must have been to do a 20 drive with such harsh conditions...are how about those older truckers, who had to work with NO sound system...it's must have been almost cruel and unusually punishment to work under those conditions.

 

[hawkeye18]

Are you aware that the Jukebox only holds 10gb of music to begin with? That seems like a pretty fundamental flaw to your logic. Just sayin'.

 

[warden]

Are you aware that the Jukebox only holds 10gb of music to begin with? That seems like a pretty fundamental flaw to your logic. Just sayin'.

Um, Context.
10gb of hard drive space is somewhere over 3000 songs.
3000 songs at 1 minute per recording is 3000 minutes.
3000 minutes divided by 60 minute is 50 hours.
50 hours to load music into the system is a disapointment.
There I spelled it out for you again.


Is anybody else disapointed in that FACT or do you just want to gang up on me for some reason?

 

[warden]

Anybody else annoyed that you can only record to the jokebox from an Audio CD that contains maybe 20-23 songs? And it records so slow! 3000 songs 20 at a time is a joke. With all this technology why can’t I insert a CD with 150 MP3's and copy over.
Also, it will not record Audio DVD's. Audio DVD's in 5.1 sound so good on the stock system but you can't copy them to the hard drive. What BS.
I have yet to try and copy from a USB device to the Jokebox but am under the impression it will not work either. What a joke.

Do these cars have a USB diagnostic port in here that we can install our own USB hard drive (say 80gb) and have all my music on that? My dad does this in his F150.
I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150gb of music and only buy CD's when I really love the music and want the best quality I can get. I do buy a lot of Audio DVD's but the selection is limited.

If I am mistaken at all please let me know what I can do to push more music to the Jokebox faster.

Love my SHO tho.

Please re-read this and advise how it might be possible to upload music to the existing system in the car. If you can't it is a disapointment.
As far as me having money to go buy another hard drive because I have bought a SHO is not a solution to this question for many reasons. None more than the fact that I DO NOT have money (Thank you very much) this happens to be a company car that I get to drive. Others from the company drive it at times too; One of my buddies always brings a USB drive w music on it; the other has synced his phone.
I want my music on there permanately so taht I can place it on random and not worry about the music and watch the road (as another member jumped in on this thread to harass me).

Get out of my thread if you don't like it. I read threads all the time, find them to be stupid (and believe it or not some are more dumb than this one) but I ignore them and leave the thread; I don't BS and belittle the OP.

 

[hawkeye18]

Ok look man, we are trying to help you, but sometimes tough love is better than no love at all.

This is what it basically boils down to.

The Ford system is not perfect. It doesn't give you the freedom that it probably should. And that sucks.

Was Ford lazy? Or did they cave into pressure from RIAA? Who knows for sure, but the end result is you, the consumer, have less choice.

The SYNC system is nearly the same in every Ford vehicle with the system (save for the fancy-pants MyTouch system), and all of them have the same limitations. My mustang's SYNC system is pretty much identical to your SHO's.

This means that exploits found in the Mustang's SYNC system will most likely apply to your SHO as well.

Since you've put up with our harassment so well (and, honestly, every new guys gets harassed - just ask Zach44120 or whatever the numbers are about his experiences here), I decided to go and find those threads I was referring to earlier.

Here's a pretty good write-up from a guy who feels about the same way you do about SYNC:

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang-talk/304470-phantom-usb-2-port-sync.html

Read this one carefully. It has links to other threads with great knowledge, and you get to see that I'm a smartass to everybody on the internet, not just you.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang-talk/294375-limits-usb-thumb-drive-size.html

Also, FWIW, I got this USB drive for my center console. It fits all of my music just fine and is incredibly unobtrusive. It's the LaCie MosKeyTo.

 

[warden]

Ok look man, we are trying to help you, but sometimes tough love is better than no love at all.

This is what it basically boils down to.

The Ford system is not perfect. It doesn't give you the freedom that it probably should. And that sucks.

Was Ford lazy? Or did they cave into pressure from RIAA? Who knows for sure, but the end result is you, the consumer, have less choice.

The SYNC system is nearly the same in every Ford vehicle with the system (save for the fancy-pants MyTouch system), and all of them have the same limitations. My mustang's SYNC system is pretty much identical to your SHO's.

This means that exploits found in the Mustang's SYNC system will most likely apply to your SHO as well.

Since you've put up with our harassment so well (and, honestly, every new guys gets harassed - just ask Zach44120 or whatever the numbers are about his experiences here), I decided to go and find those threads I was referring to earlier.

Here's a pretty good write-up from a guy who feels about the same way you do about SYNC:

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang-talk/304470-phantom-usb-2-port-sync.html

Read this one carefully. It has links to other threads with great knowledge, and you get to see that I'm a smartass to everybody on the internet, not just you.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang-talk/294375-limits-usb-thumb-drive-size.html

Also, FWIW, I got this USB drive for my center console. It fits all of my music just fine and is incredibly unobtrusive. It's the LaCie MosKeyTo.

No offense to you either but my original post was about the Jukebox limitations and had nothing to do w/ sync or the other parts of the system at all, and all I got was harassment BS - And I gave it right back. I don't really want to go read those threads at the current ****** of time, I assume that most all forum topics have been discussed in the past so does that mean that no new posts should be started? I have read tons of threads on this site and had not come across any on that particular point I was trying to make. And that's fine, I didn't read all posts. But I read a ton of posts and have gained tons of info.

But simply put, 50 hours to upload music is bad; this turned into 'do this, do that, etc' all of which I already know and no one addressed the issue I stated. My question was 'is anybody else disapointed with the jukebox - or as I like to call it the Jokebox'. Has nothing to do with any other portion of the entertainment system. None at all. 1 specific point and I got harassed about every other aspect. And I just wonder why? Now I am seriously questioning what is wrong with this! And thus obsessed with what I don't understand. I don't understand.

EDIT: and where was the help. THe best info I got is that there is in fact another USB port - which I sequayed into after my disapointment fact.

 

[Billm0066]

I believe the reason you cannot burn MP3 CDs to the harddrive, or USB files to the harddrive is due to Digital Rights Media restrictions. I've owned a couple of cars from different manufacturers with harddrives and they both functioned this same way.

As for a spare USB port, I'm not aware of one. I haven't heard of anyone yet trying a USB hub in the center console though, that could be interesting to try. If it works, you could then run a USB extension cord down under the seat or something, velcro a portable harddrive to the carpet, and not really lose much space in the center console. I'm not sure what else you'd find yourself trying to plug in to the hub. It seems like maybe it would just make more sense to connect the extension cable, then if you need the USB drive for something else, like updating your Sync, you just unplug the extension cable to the remote-mounted drive and plug your thumb drive in.

-Rod

On my Caliber srt-4, I could rip music from a usb drive (mp3 format) to the radios HDD. I could choose the songs and copy them over. It's one of the few features I miss from that radio.

 

[Billm0066]

Go back to school and learn to comprehend context. The first post is about the disaopointment in the Jukebox portion of the system and the disapointment of the jukebox system only. How is an external Hard Drive or SSHD going to resolve that? It is not, but it will help out on other portions of teh entertainment.
I was hoping that someone on here has been puzzled by the lack of options to get music onto the jukebox hard drive and come up with a work around. Instead it is the dumbest thread ever. :swing:

EDIT: And yes I would love to put the system on Random and listen to all my music. That is what I do at work with 33,000 songs and at home. WINAMP freaking rules. Why couldn't ford have installed WINAMP in their car. Damn communists. And FYI, that is a really lame azz joke.

I have to agree. The jukebox feature on the radio blows. It's one of the reasons why I havent put a single song on the cars hard drive. I just load music onto a thumb drive and play from that. I don't have gigs worth of music so this works for me, but I understand your frustration. If you find the other usb port let us know.

 

[LotusDriver]

I like the Jukebox. I drive a LOT. I bring a few CD's with me on a particular day, and load the songs I like, by the end of the week, I've got a lot of songs and no CD's to carry around. Sure it takes a long time for each to copy, but when you're driving... what difference does that make?

 

[LJRuddy]

Hey warden, sell your SHO and buy something else that has a fvcking hard drive in it. Seems like you can eliminate 2 birds with 1 stone by doing that. You can stop ******** about pointless shit in this thread and you wont have to run a single USB cable through your car... Which was weird you complained about not wanting to run a single wire yet you want to install a hard drive instead.


...meh whatever.

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

This thread is so exciting that I've gone and burned my BRA....:woo-hoo::woo-hoo: Wiffie said it was time
Sorry... but I have been getting the same S..T on Flex Net over the Mustang piston burn fiasco....

Pretty bad that some people have to get personal....

 

[hawkeye18]

The jukebox on SYNC is pretty pointless in my mind, yes. I don't use it.

 

[warden]

This thread is so exciting that I've gone and burned my BRA....:woo-hoo::woo-hoo: Wiffie said it was time
Sorry... but I have been getting the same S..T on Flex Net over the Mustang piston burn fiasco....

Pretty bad that some people have to get personal....

I don't mean to get personal. Just thought that I explained my question/situation the right way in the OP and it turned to S..t about every thing else. No harm tho.