Gen4/5 1/4 Mile Record

[76FoMoCo]

Once I started really trying with my car, which for me started once I changed tuners from LMS to AJP Turbo, I couldn't stop myself....I found myself wanting more and more out of it. I started with tuning, going from a 11 psi Meth Stage 4 X Livernois tune to an 18 psi Meth tune with Brad, it felt like my car had transformed into a monster. It just blew my mind what the difference from one tune to another did...and with no new parts! I had to go to the track. At the track I found myself fluctuating my time by as much as 3 or 4 tenths...which is huge...so then learning about little tricks that I could do like lower tire pressure, lower fuel storage, remove my spare tire and find the right rpm/launch combo.

It becomes infectious to find ways to go faster. It turns into "what should I do next"? Everything becomes one big puzzle, that is constantly expanding the more pieces you get, the more pieces you seem to need. Without realizing it you're now more competitive than you had planned/imagined and you're sitting up near the top.

There isn't a clear line anymore. Everyone has their own belief on what's acceptable? What's rational? What's too safe? What's too reckless? What's honorable or what's disgraceful? Passing Track Tech is passing Track Tech. I think a little bit of everything would be my ideal car, with the heart and legs as the focal point.

Sums it up to a tee. One thing that is a love hate with Brad is you can NOT get him to make a tune out of the safe zone. (Did push him for a e30 meth dependent and he would not give) I do appreciate it but hate it, but i understand it from his standpoint. Would love to spend a day over his shoulder tho.

 

[802SHO]

Sums it up to a tee. One thing that is a love hate with Brad is you can NOT get him to make a tune out of the safe zone. (Did push him for a e30 meth dependent and he would not give) I do appreciate it but hate it, but i understand it from his standpoint. Would love to spend a day over his shoulder tho.

Very true. For fear of my block he's got me capped to 18-20 spark. There's a lot of guys with way more spark than that running around, but I'm running big turbos, meth and nitrous. He says at the very least I should get a piston and ring set, along with the upgraded HPFP. Like getting instructed from your Doctor/Lawyer/Coach there's no argument. It's important for you and whoever your tuner is to be on the same path. Someone could get an arguably reckless tune and not even know it. Unbeknownst to them their tuner is trying to set some record or heighten their status....so they are getting way more than they asked for or realized. Perhaps that leads to problems down the road.

I'd say every tuner would like to set some sort of precedence. It's just so sweet when the driver/owner and tuner both share the same goal. So it isn't forced and there's no surprises. It's just perfect.

 

[Jordan_R]

So I just found this and feel the need to clarify a few things. My set up is horrendously simple and basically anybody could do it. The record has been slow and barely touched for years. I wanted to prove that this platform has been barely tapped into. So basically with full bolts ons, NO NITROUS, and weight reduction I took the car to 11.38 with 4700 DA.. This is with the still stock turbo size. I have compressor wheels and they are basically useless as they are just a material replacement (aluminum instead of cast) not any bigger in width.


After I did that 802SHO said he was going to experiment with nitrous and I decided to follow suit due to me being able to get way more power for cheap compared to dropping $2500 on upgraded turbos. Ended up dropping the record to 11.08 @126.8mph with a 50 shot in 600 DA. Nitrous is not heavily relied on to go fast. With a 4100 DA difference and a 50 shot netting 3 tenths on a record I already held, but wanted to further prove it was stagnant at the 11.5's previously held.

This car has always been stupid cheaply modified. It's got 132k miles on original everything but newer oem turbos. Proper tuning, frugal mindset to only buy what you need and a driver who is willing to put forth the time and effort to maximize what they have has resulted in the record that exists now. Not trying to toot my own horn, but nobody has gone near as fast for as cheap as I have other than maybe Andrew.

I've worked very hard and put forth a lot of my own time to go faster and have put in hours of research to optimize it with Brad tuning the whole thing.

If you want to watch the record pass here is a link

Edit: Also want to add one little thing. My idea for the SHO is to enjoy, optimize and go as fast as possible. Beat the heck out of it, have some fun and go on trips. I don't want a glorified garage queen that isn't driven and I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something I won't use either. My SHO isn't a car show SHO. (say that 10 times fast)

Whether you like it or not these cars are becoming cheap and scrappable cars and the sentiments and feelings you have towards your own doesn't transfer amongst other owners.

 

[StealBlueSho]

But you are FBO with turbo work as you said the compressor wheels are aluminum vs cast which is gonna spool easier.. plus I believe you the said the fins are slightly different...

The cheap argument here kinda eludes me...

Dual feed intake...
GH Intercooler...
XDI HPFP...
Exhaust...
Lighter wheels..
Wider tires...
3Bar...
Wet Shot Nitrous...
Torque mounts...
Downpipes...
Plus other modifications....
Massive weight reduction...
Multiple Tuners...

Not sure if you are still running the stock suspension...

Not trying to discredit your achievements but I believe it is important to keep it into perspective..



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[Jordan_R]

But you are FBO with turbo work as you said the compressor wheels are aluminum vs cast which is gonna spool easier.. plus I believe you the said the fins are slightly different...

The cheap argument here kinda eludes me...

Dual feed intake...
GH Intercooler...
XDI HPFP...
Exhaust...
Lighter wheels..
Wider tires...
3Bar...
Wet Shot Nitrous...
Torque mounts...
Downpipes...
Plus other modifications....
Massive weight reduction...
Multiple Tuners...

Not sure if you are still running the stock suspension...

Not trying to discredit your achievements but I believe it is important to keep it into perspective..



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Let me elaborate even further for you.

J2 intake $500 something group buy
GH Intercooler I worked out a deal to film him an installation video in exchange for a discount. Not going to give complete details on that one because of the deal made.
XDI HPFP Paid full price
Sponsored Downpipes
Don't need an exhaust to go down the drag strip
$200 ea wheels with $94 all seasons and sponsored radials
Dry Shot nitrous kits $350
Sponsored trans mounts
MSD Coils
Weight Reduction is free?
Two different tuners AJPTurbo and Gearhead

HR Springs

Most work done by myself. The cheap aspect is I don't have $2500 upgraded turbos, built motor, methanol like the other 11.5's ran by Mike and Ryan. I can't afford a bunch of modifications so I will take the time and contact manufacturers and see if we could work out an installation video, promotional or other sort of deal. I love my PPE downpipes and my Anthony DiCunzolo trans mounts and I am extremely happy they gave me the opportunity to use their products. I love being able to promote products I believe in. Essentially anybody could get a small number of bolt ons and run into the 11s EASILY. Heck @ridered74 took note of my weight reduction and did it himself and ran an 11.7 on stock turbos from a 12.1 best. He's the fastest GH tuned SHO now. That's 2 tenths away from the fabled record that was seen as unbeatable unless you threw a god send amount of money into the cars. Maybe if money doesn't work to improve times some owners should look at other options instead. See it time and time again. My SHO only runs 12s and I don't want to change anything I am doing, but I want faster times.

 

[Jordan_R]

Also forgot about the compressor wheels. The height of them is a couple mm taller but they are pulling from the same area inlet size so it makes no difference. Matt at gearhead has said they make no difference because you seem to always question my judgment on things. Boost tapers from the commanded 18psi to high 14s just like a stock with upgraded HPFP car would.

 

[bpd1151]

Hey Jordan, I must've misunderstood our own private conversation we had a couple of months back about your level of Nitrous use.

I stand corrected my friend.

You certainly have taken the platform to the next tier in achievements and I commend you for having done so. Always have.

For me personally, it's nice knowing there was/is still some "breathing room" left in the drivetrain, whereas I was unwilling to risk diving into, or rather crossing over that threshold.

Now admittedly, I can't see many going to the extent that you did, in stripping your car, holy **** no. Haha. Hey, post a pic if you can cuz that $h!t is/was just insane!

Conversely, I can't readily admit that there are many out there that would go to the extent of modding as much as I have, and all across the board at that.

Anyhow, don't wanna ramble.... congrats once again. It's great seeing that we are, for all inclusive purposes, at opposing ends of the ownership spectrum. Each getting 'er done in our own unique ways.

Continued happy motoring!


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[Jordan_R]

Don't have time at the moment to find the pictures, but I have an overview of the car after I ran the 11.38 here before the nitrous installation. Drove the car 3 hours there and 3 hours back in this shape.

 

[SHOdded]

Both of you have taken the devil by the horns and set new goals for everyone else. That is how the SHO community as a whole gets to move forward. Being at the bleeding edge is always expensive, in terms of time, money, usually both.

 

[bpd1151]

Very well articulated Manu.

Bravo good sir.

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[skyshadow07]

Jordan, do you have a total weight loss in pounds that you got from all those parts being removed?

 

[Jordan_R]

Jordan, do you have a total weight loss in pounds that you got from all those parts being removed?

Yes, however keeping that secret little number to myself. Only real secret I have lmao

 

[skyshadow07]

haa, can you at least say if it was a large amount (1/3 ton ish) and how heavy you think the stock seats are?

 

[Jordan_R]

haa, can you at least say if it was a large amount (1/3 ton ish) and how heavy you think the stock seats are?

Stock seats are definitely really heavy. Never weighed anything but starting weight and end weight. Will say starting weight was ~4300lbs. No trunk stuff, no cats, no mufflers so already had a bit of weight out at that point with the starting weight.

 

[SM105K]

Just for reference....my full optioned 2013 PP SHO with me in and a 1/4 of fuel weighed in at 4560.

At the time I was 260 lbs. So that puts my SHO at 4300 lbs.

 

[skyshadow07]

^Do you have massage seats?

 

[SM105K]

^Do you have massage seats?

Massage, heated, and cooled seats. Moonroof. FULLY optioned.

 

[skyshadow07]

I do as well. Interesting weight. I feel like I read the fully optioned version was 4400. Now I can tell people it's not THAT heavy haa.

 

[SM105K]

That scale is at Wild Horse Pass Racetrack. It is used by NHRA and the Bondurant School of High Performance driving.

 

[skyshadow07]

There is an end of season test N tune at my track this weekend. I'm planning on attending to get a baseline from my car. They have a scale there as well so I can baseline that.