FSTB not needed with SFCs?

[St Louis SHO]

He made a mock up STB but it was cut in half, with a piece in the middle that allowed movement. But it didnt move.

 

[Toolman]

We are talking 0.000's of an inch here. Last time I tried to measure something with a zip tie, my engineering professor slapped me with a codfish.

 

[St Louis SHO]

lol Well, then, its whatever floats your boat. I consider the source of the info I posted to be reliable. I agree that your opinion is valued, actually everyone's opinion is valued. So, do as you wish. It may or may not be necessary, unless someone puts up a gazillion dollars to research, you'll never know. I consider a front strut tower brace to be sig line only material.

 

[Shoaz]

Eric, if your car is setup exactly like #99, you have a rear STB welded into the car. You can't see it, but its there. It took Dave pointing it out to me to see it.

Yup, that's why I said I've had a rear STB forever. Had a high-zoot Tim Dahm adjustable aluminum unit in my old car, and the rear harness bar (which is essentially what that is) in the Pumpkin.

To clear up what I said, the guy who told me they are useless (Met him at Carlisle, but cant remember his name) made one with a slider in the middle. Then he zipped a zip tie to it, tracked the car a few laps to find out the zip tie didnt move, thus proving the strut towers do not move.

Yeah, that's the sort of thing a lot of people do to figure out whether there's any deflection or not. Don't know exactly what that guy did, but it may or may not have been accurate. I'd think you'd need two ties; one to capture travel in compression and one in tension.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

lol Well, then, its whatever floats your boat. I consider the source of the info I posted to be reliable. I agree that your opinion is valued, actually everyone's opinion is valued. So, do as you wish. It may or may not be necessary, unless someone puts up a gazillion dollars to research, you'll never know. I consider a front strut tower brace to be sig line only material.

agreed as such mine is for sale.

 

[Toolman]

I consider them ornamental. If you are really concerned about chassis flex, a STB is not the solution. My track car will have one, just because it is a perty one!

 

[AREA 91]

****, you passed my ass this year! I tried to hold you off, but no such luck.
FWIW. you are the only one that did.

Oh Kelvin BRING IT!!!!:wave:

Tim, you need to hit yourself in the head with the hammer

In dearborn you both will more then likely pass me, I think im taking a year off and going to take a nice drive to MI in the 2010. No towing , no babysitting, no tools, Just a bucket of beer and a bucket of cleaning stuff.

Although K-Doggy I do want to run road Atlanta in feb, Mar of 10 with the 95 if you care to come and play I told Mark about this we will see if we can set something up.. sounds like a blast to me!!! Ill let you know.

Can I come and play too???

But with all the goofing done..

Handleing of the car depends on your own driving skills and talents. What works good for guys like Tim and Kelvin might not work for me. Eberyone has to tru stuff out for themselvs. I know I drive way deep into the corners, ride the ABS all the way and like a loose back end with a tight front end.

Some guys like it the oppsite and some guys like to feel more neutral. and some guys just dont know they just follow what others say. Parts for these cars are pretty plentifull try them all out and pick a set of corners that you know where its safe for your testing (not some offramp of the busiest interstate in the country) zing, bam , BOOM! LOL

And the guy that said something about putting the subframe under the car, your right over the last 10 years I have bought well over 200 SHO's lots of them from salvage auctions and have seen one maybe that the subframe came loose and went under the car.. IIRC he hit a bridge post at warp 9!
So no worrys there unless you hit a bridge, Battleship, Space Shuttle, the empire state building or something of that magnitude.

Given a choice, SFC's are WAY better than STB's.

 

[hawkeye18]

I consider a front strut tower brace to be sig line only material.

Fair enough. I also have a Pro-M 73mm MAF. Should we get into whether those are worth it or not too?

 

[St Louis SHO]

I gave one to the auction at the convention if that tells you anything...

That would mean I have a 55mm on my race car.

 

[Toolman]

I got a 44mm on my race car.

 

[SHODWN]

****, you passed my ass this year! I tried to hold you off, but no such luck.
FWIW. you are the only one that did.



Given a choice, SFC's are WAY better than STB's.

Yep, and next year you will be on the video of "letting people pass" while you are a Very Good Driver holding people up that are much faster is a HUGE PET PEEVE of mine.. Honestly I was getting ****** enough that I was thinking of bumping you out of the way.. Next time just let me go and follow you will improve your skills much faster following someone than thrying to keep them in the back of you. I learned alot from Mark by following or rather trying to!! lol

I got those two laps in video just on the straight in real short clips, but you can see where you were holding me back, and on the next lap where you finally gave me the legal piont by I passed you and my Gen 3 on the same straight.. Ive been trying to get them up on my site but they dont like transfering over for some reason..

I want to see the Video of me leaving James CTSV behind. Silly GM products!!! hahahahaha

When the freight trains ah coming GET OUT THE WAY

 

[AREA 91]

Yep, and next year you will be on the video of "letting people pass" while you are a Very Good Driver holding people up that are much faster is a HUGE PET PEEVE of mine.. Honestly I was getting ****** enough that I was thinking of bumping you out of the way.. Next time just let me go and follow you will improve your skills much faster following someone than thrying to keep them in the back of you. I learned alot from Mark by following or rather trying to!! lol

I got those two laps in video just on the straight in real short clips, but you can see where you were holding me back, and on the next lap where you finally gave me the legal piont by I passed you and my Gen 3 on the same straight.. Ive been trying to get them up on my site but they dont like transfering over for some reason..

I want to see the Video of me leaving James CTSV behind. Silly GM products!!! hahahahaha

When the freight trains ah coming GET OUT THE WAY

I think I am doing pretty good for the ammount of track time I have had. I am also a full weight car with 96 brakes. Not the best combo for the track.

You aren't "that much faster" than me.
Your car is too nice to play "rubbin's racin".
I would love to see some video.

 

[SHODWN]

Like I said I agree you are good.... Just keep an eye out for others thats all. guys that are faster really want to push the car to get even better and you cant do that if your being held up.

The vids are from a handled camera and tiny but fo some reason I cant get them to transfer from computer to website.. Ill try again later but both cars sound freaking crazy! You have to see in the second vide when you let me pass I was coming into the corner to fast after passing my Gen 3 at the last second its pretty funny!..