FSTB not needed with SFCs?

[kikkinasphalt]

i see a lot of opinions on if the front strut tower bars help or not. some claim they make a huge difference others say not.

im wondering though. are those who see an increase in stiffness using sub frame connectors too?

if one is using sub frame connectors is the front strut tower bar necessary?

i ask because i have both. but even if i took the FSTB off i doubt id notice anything, my car rides like a brick wagon anyway

 

[SeanMc]

I have full length subframes, and the car is fine. I added a rear bar, and noticed that the car seems to rotate easier. I think Eric (PIR pumpkin SHO) isn't running one.

 

[SHOspazz92]

i see a lot of opinions on if the front strut tower bars help or not. some claim they make a huge difference others say not.

im wondering though. are those who see an increase in stiffness using sub frame connectors too?

if one is using sub frame connectors is the front strut tower bar necessary?

i ask because i have both. but even if i took the FSTB off i doubt id notice anything, my car rides like a brick wagon anyway

No Front Strut tower bar F-T-W.

-Sam

 

[kikkinasphalt]

you need to swap me cars...

my car prus cash 4 yr car.

 

[92sho16]

It was my understanding after reading a bunch of threads on this topic is that the strut towers are close enough to the firewall that a brace wont really do much.

 

[hawkeye18]

On a car without SFCs, it helps tremendously, IMHO. At least on both of the cars I've put one on, it makes a huge difference in turn-in.

 

[shobote]

I imagine you would have to consider what size F/R sway bars are used regarding turn in as well.

 

[turbo79]

I have both, but had the SFCs welded up first. When I added the FSTB I did notice a smoothness in the ride that wasn't there before, so I assume that it did tighten things up a bit.

J M O ...

 

[hawkeye18]

I installed a STB on my wife's car when it had 22/21 bars on it. turn-in was awesome - snappy, immediate and predictable (unlike before, where it felt like it was being yanked with a collar), but the rear end felt like it was on casters. When I put the 26mm rear bar from my wrecked car on hers, that's what completed it; precise turn-in and the rear rotated beautifully.

I'm almost afraid to see what SFCs would do to it, but I do have gen3 subframe bushings that will go in some day (obviously I'm not gonna be there to do it).

I would almost recommend the sway bar first; depending one what you have on there now it'll take it from scary to manageable - the STB will take it from manageable to sweet. I think adding SFCs would almost require that you put your orthodontist on speed dial.

 

[jedhead]

I think the Subframe Connectors is one of the best mods. I have full length connectors on my car. After installation the car felt like it was machined from a block of steel. I installed a FSB, an aluminum SHO Shop one, and I didn't notice a difference. I am not sure if I installed a stiffer bar, CF or steel, would make a difference.

Bob

 

[shobote]

I agree about SFC's, a cheap and very effective upgrade, it is more solid, smooth and notably LESS harsh over bumps, uneven surfaces, and around corners. Also eliminated a few squeeks and groans from chassis flex.

 

[K-Dawg]

i see a lot of opinions on if the front strut tower bars help or not. some claim they make a huge difference others say not.

im wondering though. are those who see an increase in stiffness using sub frame connectors too?

if one is using sub frame connectors is the front strut tower bar necessary?

i ask because i have both. but even if i took the FSTB off i doubt id notice anything, my car rides like a brick wagon anyway

I'm not sure how subframe connectors would make a difference in a STB's effectiveness.

But since you already own them, why don't you test it yourself? Have someone remove (or not remove) the STB, and without telling them telling you what they did, go drive the car. Come back, and have the person put the STB back on (or remove it), and drive the car again without knowing if the bar is there or not. Go with what you like better.

 

[St Louis SHO]

I was told by someone who did alot of R&D on these back in the day that a front STB does nothing.

 

[K-Dawg]

He said, she said...

 

[38SHO]

kelvin's got the best idea here

to **** with all the speculation do what you think feels best to you

or you could do one better and test it on a track and compare lap times..... or an autocross would be a good place to get a feel for it

 

[St Louis SHO]

There's no speculation to what I posted. It's been proven.

 

[38SHO]

yeah but we have no proof to see for ourselves you know.....

nobody saying you are a liar, just saying the best way for this guy to figure out whats best for his car would be to do some personal testing on his own.......

 

[hawkeye18]

There's no speculation to what I posted. It's been proven.

See, the funny thing is, when somebody else claimed something to be verified fact, you pitched a g#%*mn hissy fit, fists pounding on the table, the whole lot because YOU didn't see proof ratified by God himself.

So you get to be held to the same standard. Proof or ****.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

See, the funny thing is, when somebody else claimed something to be verified fact, you pitched a g#%*mn hissy fit, fists pounding on the table, the whole lot because YOU didn't see proof ratified by God himself.

So you get to be held to the same standard. Proof or ****.

thats because there was no way that ****** was over 18

 

[Devin]

I saw at one point mention was made that SFCs reduce or eliminate the effectiveness of the sloped bars that redirect the subframe under the car in the event of a frontal collision. Is that feasible? True? If so, it would definitely sway my decision on which one to get.