Force Fed V-8

[expy916]

The one next to it. If its for sale, theres another ford that needs to get blown!!!!

 

[SHO U UP]

any chance you can post of pics of how the lower intake is set up i have plans to do this to mine here in the next year...

thanks!

pics for sure! lol i also wanna see the bottom of the upper intake deal.

Here are the pics of the lower risers. I will try to post pics tonight of it installed on the car. I've been fighting with my powdercoating colors the past couple nights for the other pieces. The silver vein was too dark, and the antique grey was too blue-ish. I may end up end just doing a hammered finish on it and calling it a day.

 

[Izzmo]

First off.. is it smart to just have an "open air box" for the forced induction to the cylinder heads? If memory served me right, I think something should be a little "organized"... I dunno.. tell me how it's done.. I'm learning as I read.

Also, did you make your lower risers yourself?

 

[SHO U UP]

First off.. is it smart to just have an "open air box" for the forced induction to the cylinder heads? If memory served me right, I think something should be a little "organized"... I dunno.. tell me how it's done.. I'm learning as I read.

Also, did you make your lower risers yourself?

Doug at FPS designed the kit to start off with. All parts were designed by him and his machinist, so I cannot take any credit for the parts. IIRC, the path to the heads still have their separate paths from the intake. Be it the SHO, or any other vehicle. I know Eric's intake houses his injectors and such, all mine has is inserts for the bolts that hold it down. So once the air leaves the blower it winds down the elbow in the upper intake. Now we are know the SHOs are famous for thier runners, surge tanks, secondaries, etc. Once my pedal is mashed, the secondaries open all the way. There are none closed like normal up til 3400 rpms. Mine are kicking full force when I hit the go pedal. So, each chamber is pulling air flow down at the same time. And thats the idea of the spacers I pictured. I can see why you asked the question, and perhaps Doug or Eric will chime in also to verify, add or correct my logic here. I know on my trucks, it's basically the same way. Only difference on the L is it passes thru an interccoler then into the valleys and on my big truck, it passes thru the upper intake, kinda like the SHOs, with each individual runner:

Its hard to see on the Lightning, but the valleys are in the sides of the upper intake. There are no runners so to speak of.:

I guess you could think of that upper intake now as a surge tank, minus the runners. Hope this helps. :wave:

 

[E1 v2]

First off.. is it smart to just have an "open air box" for the forced induction to the cylinder heads? If memory served me right, I think something should be a little "organized"... I dunno.. tell me how it's done.. I'm learning as I read.

Box plenum is just fine. Under positive displacement, the air 'finds' its way. You don't need fancy balanced runners like a normally aspirated engine would.
'Just let the air in the box' - the rest takes care of its self under boost and with a positive displacement blower, that is pretty much all the time.

FWIW - I just hit the 2 year mark with my M90 setup. Doug's tune is awesome and the tranny he helped me build is still running strong. Stock tranny lasted 160 miles under boost.

 

[SHO U UP]

Thanks for the assist and follow up Mr Eric. :urock:

 

[Izzmo]

Makes since Eric.. thanks

So.. SHO U UP (sorry.. don't know you by name.... yet!), you are still using the stock LIM? All you got rid of was the upper intake horns and surge tank correct?

Also.. is this "kit" still available.. or is like a made to order kind of thing..?

 

[SHO U UP]

Makes since Eric.. thanks

So.. SHO U UP (sorry.. don't know you by name.... yet!), you are still using the stock LIM? All you got rid of was the upper intake horns and surge tank correct?

Also.. is this "kit" still available.. or is like a made to order kind of thing..?

The name is ****, what's yours? And I am still using the LIM, but it has been machined to fit 42# Lightning injectors in it. The fuel rail was also modded to receive fuel from both sides as to not starve any cylinders. Not including the upgraded fuel pump also. And yes, all my runners and surge tanks and horns are all gone. (I really liked their appearance too) Doug only made my kit as a one only kinda thing. Now, that he has all the molds for the parts, he said it should be readily available much faster if someone else wants one, and it would only take less than weekend for someone to install. Then you have to worry about the tranny though. Like Eric said, it won't last long. If it was up to Doug and I again, and we were to do it all over, him and I both agreed it shoulda been turbo-ed. Much easier to do he said, and I would been able to keep my stock, cool looking V-8 intake. Any more questions, send them my way Izzmo. ****.....

 

[Toolman]

Sell the setup and go turbo. I would be interested in seeing a turbo setup from Doug.

 

[Izzmo]

Turbo.. interesting.. if it were a remote... I don't think there would be another room for the tubes.. would there be? (I guess you could always make room for it )

My name is Nick by the way ****

 

[SHO U UP]

Sell the setup and go turbo. I would be interested in seeing a turbo setup from Doug.

Yeah, if it wasn't about the money I would. :laugh_ti: And don't worry, Doug has some surprises up his sleeve. I was poking around his shop while I was there. He and I had a lot of talking, discussing, reviewing, etc going on.

Turbo.. interesting.. if it were a remote... I don't think there would be another room for the tubes.. would there be? (I guess you could always make room for it )

My name is Nick by the way ****

He Nick,
Nice name. I get that all the time. Then, once I correct them. "Oh" they say, "like in Crocodile Dundee." Yeah, sorta I tell 'em. :laugh_ti: And there is no room anywhere for turbo(s) under the hood area. A remote turbo is the idea and the way to go. Just keep your eyes peeled for what may pop up one day. Great things come to those who wait.

 

[Izzmo]

Yeah.. I'm hoping so!

I don't think it would be too difficult either, would it? Like I said.. I'm new.. and very dumb on this.. but I'm looking over some sites on how to add a turbo.. it costs some $$$, but the concept is very simple.. I think just getting the tubes hooked up would be the most difficult part.

**EDIT
Upon further investigation.. I find it's simple to add (besides getting the fitting of all the parts together), but when it comes to tuning to avoid knock could prove pretty hard.. am I correct here? What would be the hardest thing of fitting a turbo on one of our v8's?

 

[NebraskaSHO]

I really think this is the coolest V8 thread we've had in quite a while. Thanks for the updates and pictures.

 

[SHO U UP]

Yeah.. I'm hoping so!

I don't think it would be too difficult either, would it? Like I said.. I'm new.. and very dumb on this.. but I'm looking over some sites on how to add a turbo.. it costs some $$$, but the concept is very simple.. I think just getting the tubes hooked up would be the most difficult part.

**EDIT
Upon further investigation.. I find it's simple to add (besides getting the fitting of all the parts together), but when it comes to tuning to avoid knock could prove pretty hard.. am I correct here? What would be the hardest thing of fitting a turbo on one of our v8's?

Well, doing a remote turbo would be the easiest way. And I'm really surprised many more folks haven't tackled it. The V-6 guys are turbo-ing the SHO all day long. Running all the piping would be the hardest of course. Routing, measuring, mocking, etc takes a great deal of time. I know on mine, since it's been lowered, the rear piping would be abit harder. I had custom 3" pipes from the y pipe back and it hangs low. It was a PITA getting it on to the trailer to bring it home from Doug's cause it was so low. So keeping the pipe size smaller and not lowering your car would be the first step towards it.

And the knock/pinging was what Doug spent a fair share of time dealing with towards the end. It is now fine and doesn't ping at all, but the tune has to be dead on. Experience comes in to play here, as everytime the motor pings there is damage being done.

I really think this is the coolest V8 thread we've had in quite a while. Thanks for the updates and pictures.

No sweat bro! Glad I could oblige. :sun: And you're right about the threads on here lately. Boring aint the word. ****, I've been hopping over from the Gen 4 to here constantly in the past week. I really thought I was gonna catch **** from some folks about my whole ordeal with the s/c SHO and all, but it's been awesome and not a negative word about it. :woo-hoo: The way it should be.

 

[expy916]

Mr. ****, is that blower (the black ford one) for sale?

 

[Izzmo]

What type of damage is being done due to pinging? I know the A/F explodes before TDC... but is the explosion cause damage because the exhaust valves aren't opening soon enough.. or?

I'm not really sure what kinda of damage it will do since everything is mechanical (besides the firing of the spark plug) at that point.

 

[RonPorter]

What type of damage is being done due to pinging? I know the A/F explodes before TDC... but is the explosion cause damage because the exhaust valves aren't opening soon enough.. or?

I'm not really sure what kinda of damage it will do since everything is mechanical (besides the firing of the spark plug) at that point.

Light pinging isn't bad. It's just that when you add an s/c or turbo, the process can quickly accelerate into destructive detonation, which breaks stuff. Tuning is very important.

 

[Izzmo]

I guess the detonation must be worse than I'm thinking of!

 

[RonPorter]

I guess the detonation must be worse than I'm thinking of!

Yep.

Think of busted piston rings, followed by pistons, rods, and other ugly stuff.

 

[SHOZ123]

What type of damage is being done due to pinging? I know the A/F explodes before TDC... but is the explosion cause damage because the exhaust valves aren't opening soon enough.. or?

I'm not really sure what kinda of damage it will do since everything is mechanical (besides the firing of the spark plug) at that point.

Here is a good article

http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articles/Engine/Detonation/