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HoustinoJillian

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soo, i picked up 6 express down modules from the junkyard today, they're larger than i expected them to be! but anyhow, along with the one i found on ebay, i should have express up and down for every window in the car by late next week. :thumb:
 

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The reason they don't have express up windows is a safety issue.What will make it stop if, let's just say a young child's hand/arm was in the way?
 

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if someone's head or arm is in the window, it will stop, it will not crush it (personal experience haha) but i dont have any kids, and i wont have any kids in the car for a very long time, so that doesn't bother me much. i can always keep the windows locked and control them from my seat if i did.
 

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93SHO'nOFF said:
The reason they don't have express up windows is a safety issue.What will make it stop if, let's just say a young child's hand/arm was in the way?

Ford must have stopped caring about that issue, because several 05 model Fords now have express up windows.
 

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Not saying your SHO can't be done,
But this Five hundred's set up doesn't seem like fun.......And to do it on all 4 windows,.........pfffffft I don't think so son. :shrug:

So I copied for you ,out of the 2005 book,
everything the five hundred's auto up/down windows took. :oogle:
Motor ,Wires,and switch's though,.........
I do believe I'd have more fun on the other thread rappin with Joe!
Good luck :bonk:


The LH front window motor has a security override feature. If an obstacle has been detected in the window opening as the window glass is moving upward, the window motor will automatically reverse direction and move the glass toward the fully open position (in both proportional up and one-touch up modes). This is known as "bounce-back". Once the window motor stops the glass at its bounce-back position, and within 2 seconds the switch is released, then held in the AUTO up position, the window motor will move the glass up with no bounce-back protection (security override). If the switch is released before the window glass reaches the fully closed position, the window motor will stop with bounce-back automatically enabled for the next window up movement. If the ignition switch is turned to OFF or START (without delayed accessory), the window motor will stop. The only exception is when an obstacle is detected in the window opening while delayed accessory power is not present. In this case the window motor will bounce back, then stop. Ice, contaminant buildup, and environmentally induced tight spots in the LH front window seals are all possible conditions that will activate the security override feature. If an obstruction occurs between 4 mm (0.15 in) and 200 mm (7.87 in) of window opening, the bounce-back position will be 250 mm (9.84 in) of window opening. If an obstruction occurs at a position greater than 200 mm (7.87 in) of window opening, the bounce-back position will be 50 mm (1.96 in) below where the obstruction occurred.

The LH front window control switch has illumination and illumination ground inputs, which are used to illuminate the switch when the headlamp switch is turned to the PARK or ON position (the AUTOLAMP position may also energize this input). These switch inputs do not directly affect operation of the LH front window. The LH front window control switch uses the delayed accessory power input, which is transferred to the up or down outputs when the corresponding switch contact is closed. The LH front window control switch is grounded to the chassis through the main switch ground input, which is transferred to the AUTO output when the corresponding LH front window control switch contact is closed. If the delayed accessory feed to the front window control switch is missing, none of the windows will function. If the main ground signal is missing, the LF AUTO functions will be inoperative and the remaining three windows will also be inoperative.

If there is an open in the LH front window control switch or the associated wiring, the related function will become inoperative. If the UP contact of the switch or the associated wiring develops an open circuit, the LH front window will only operate in the DOWN direction, or in the one-touch down mode. If the DOWN contact of the switch or the associated wiring develops an open circuit, the LF window will only operate in the UP direction, or in the one-touch up mode. If the auto contact of the switch or the associated wiring develops an open circuit, the LF window will only move proportionally UP or DOWN.

The LF window motor will not operate if a switch error exists. A switch error is defined as UP and DOWN, AUTO input without up or down, or up, down, and AUTO inputs energized at the same time. The LH front window will appear to be inoperative if a switch error is present.

A new LH front window motor will only operate in proportional up/down mode, and the bounce back feature will be disabled prior to initialization. If the switch is actuated to the AUTO up or AUTO down position and released, window movement will stop when the up or down contact in the LH front window control switch is released. If the LH front window motor is removed from the window regulator drum housing, or if a new LH front window motor is installed, it must be initialized. Refer to Door Window Motor Initialization in this section.

The LH front window motor will automatically adjust to system changes throughout its life: changes in seal drag and slight changes in the FULL OPEN position will occur and will be automatically compensated for. Once initialized, the LH front window motor will soft stall into the UPPER and LOWER positions contributing to extended durability of the system. If the LH front window does not seal completely in the FULL UP position (very small gaps/non bounce-back events only), the LH front window switch can be actuated to the proportional UP position and the LH front window will be energized for a fraction of a second to fully seal and this new position will be learned.
 

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our cars don't have this bounceback security feature, so wiring that auto up on the drivers door should be easy. i already did both up and down on the other 3
 

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I pulled the modules from all the taurii in my local pull a part. Installed 1 on the drivers side first for auto up. Followed a Ranger website with the help of a buddy with a ranger and fingered out the colors for the Taurus. after getting all giddy, I then decided I wanted the passenger front to do it as well. That took 2 modules but with a rudamentary knowledge now learned from hooking up the drivers side I proceeded to do the passenger door.

Quite simple hook-up with only 5 wires. 2 wires interupt the positive-while-going-up wire of the motor, you cut the wire and one goes to the motor and 1 goes to the switch. 1 wire splices into the gnd-when-going-up wire of the motor. 1 wire goes to constant power. 1 wire splices with the side of the switch that's powered when pressing UP.


I can make a list of wire colors if wanted. But maybe someone already did it.


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They come out of any Taurus, 92-95 IIRC. All of them with power windows had an express down driver's side window. Take off the driver's side door panel, the express module is at the bottom rear of the opening.
 

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The Express window feature is great....... except - I hate to leave the car in direct sunlight with the windows rolled up tight.
I like to crack the window about half an inch from the top, and that is a pain on my drivers door, when the window predictably heads for the fully down position.
Someone should invent a 2 step express, first step is a bit down (that you can set) and the next step is fully down.
 

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Gen 4 Tauruses basically are. You have to hit the down switch extra hard to make it express and my '05 Ram is same, so I'm guessing many other cars are also.
 

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The reason they don't have express up windows is a safety issue.What will make it stop if, let's just say a young child's hand/arm was in the way?

No. It's a cost issue. It's the same reason they got rid of the self-closing trunks. Sure, they'll tell you it wasn't safe but Ford has what they call "Profit Improvement Programs" and I know for a fact that they were "PIPped".
 

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I have all windows auto up and down with two modules in each door. One interesting note is that if the modules are in the individual doors, the window lock switch that locks out all controls except the driver's will also disable the auto modules in the passenger windows.

If you tap down auto-down, and tap down again, the window stops. Of course what most passengers do is hit down then hit up, and down and up some more, and get confused. Holding the button down until the window gets to where you want it and then releasing will also not activate the auto down feature.

The auto module runs the window down (or up) until it detects stall current, then turns off. It won't keep on running, but then again it also won't let go if you've got your head stuck in there.
 
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You silly, silly people. If your child is getting their head/hand/arm/leg/torso/neck/chest/foot stuck in the window, you're obviously not WOTing the car enough. Kids love speed. Try it. Don't tell anyone I told you to, though! :D

On a serious note, as Jay said, you tap once for auto and a second time to bypass auto. Hold the button down and it'll bypass auto mode. If you need express down for your rears, you'll probably be at a better advantage replacing your window motor/regulator. The rears on a gen1 & 2 roll down a whooping 7-10"... If you can't hold your button down that long, I pray for you... I'd rather find a way to make the rear windows roll down FURTHER than worry about express down. Just saying...
 

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You silly, silly people. If your child is getting their head/hand/arm/leg/torso/neck/chest/foot stuck in the window, you're obviously not WOTing the car enough. Kids love speed. Try it. Don't tell anyone I told you to, though! :D

On a serious note, as Jay said, you tap once for auto and a second time to bypass auto. Hold the button down and it'll bypass auto mode. If you need express down for your rears, you'll probably be at a better advantage replacing your window motor/regulator. The rears on a gen1 & 2 roll down a whooping 7-10"... If you can't hold your button down that long, I pray for you... I'd rather find a way to make the rear windows roll down FURTHER than worry about express down. Just saying...

Making the rears roll down further is pretty tricky, since they need to go into the rear wheel well to retract fully.
 

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Making the rears roll down further is pretty tricky, since they need to go into the rear wheel well to retract fully.

I agree. I've looked into it at some point and began making a a template out of a large chunk of plexiglass. I abandoned ship, prematurely, due to the car (wait for it...) breaking down and never tried to figure it out. Regardless, my point is having an express window for the rear just seems silly. I can open/close both rear windows, at the same time, in less than 5 seconds with a lubed & slack free (window "wobble" slows down the motor... significantly) regulator along with a good motor.

You know, just my opinion. :swing:
 

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