bpd1151's 2010 SHO Rebuild Thread.....

[bpd1151]

@ Five Leeter.....

I never asked, because at this point, it's been 6 mo.'s and it's a small, specialty shop, so I know that any prices I've charged thus far, are nominal due to me not pushing them to "hurry up". Besides, since he typically works on Imports, the owner is becoming "personally involved". Which is good, because he's motivated now to see the results now that he himself is knee deep in it. Not really worried about it, but I'll find out and re-post.

@ jman..... good question. Never thought of that. My 1st thought would be that if he doesn't, or wouldn't be able to (grind them down) that in an overall sense, the end result(s) will still be an improvement over what one sees w/o any porting/polishing being completed.

2nd thought would be he's one helluva a welder and won't leave much excess protruding?? Like the above, I'll ask, and re-post.





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[bpd1151]

Just sent the machine shop owner the following text..... (see the screenshot image):

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[GotGrip?]

How are they planning to polish the welds internally?

He may not have to worry about it depending on how its welded, its possible to penetrate enough to seal the gap without having a mound of slag on the inside.

 

[Zpak]

I’m laughing to myself about even proposing this and I do so with fear of dragging this topic any farther into the weeds but...
If you cut the intake, you lost material. And with it, volume. Minute I know, but at that point is the polishing making up for and then overcoming what was there originally?

 

[SM105K]

I’m laughing to myself about even proposing this and I do so with fear of dragging this topic any farther into the weeds but...
If you cut the intake, you lost material. And with it, volume. Minute I know, but at that point is the polishing making up for and then overcoming what was there originally?

Increased plenum velocity with less turbulence should overcome the minute volume loss in theory.

 

[bpd1151]

Answer to question #1:

"The hp gains are all related too the application and the supporting modification done to the motor but on a application as your build gains are going to be ruffly 15-25hp."

Answer to question #2:

"As for the weld getting through to the inside. It doesn't when u weld aluminum you dont want full *********** to the point of "sugaring" on the inside. What that does is it weakens the base material around the weld and will likely fail. The strenght of the weld is done with the filler material added to the surface of the weld. So as for the inside it will just be a slim line that wont effect flow at all."

Question #3 has yet to be answered.

Figured I'd copy/paste (and post) the replies he has provided thus far.

Hope that's of some help.

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[jman1200]

He may not have to worry about it depending on how its welded, its possible to penetrate enough to seal the gap without having a mound of slag on the inside.

True, that is why I am curious to know how they plan to do it... and it has been answered before I finished typing.

 

[bpd1151]

10/09/19.......

Got more intake **** pics that were sent to me earlier today. Still a work in progress mind you, as the machine shop owner said that these are just roughed in with a carbide bit. More finishing work yet to be completed. But thought I'd share with y'all.

Machine shop owner also seems to be getting more and more excited as he continues immersing himself into this project.

He stated the following: "Just wait till you see the heads. I dont want to release and pics til I do some more testing on the flow bench but they are becoming quite the monster. Just been modifying and testing, modifying and testing, and we are still seeing improvements across the board! You will receive data sheets as well, of the flow data."

He did educate me about etiquette as it relates to the posting of the pictures of the heads (when ever they are sent to me) explaining that porters in the industry don't typically like sharing such imagery, as that is "like gold" to them. But he followed up with saying that he wouldn't necessarily mind as he doesn't have much in stake in this platform. Most of his work is in/on the import scene. So I'll discuss with him further.

I did relate to him that it's nice to begin getting excited about the car once again, as it has been a pretty depressing season for me since the failure and having outlayed lots of money to date, with results merely trickling in. But in the same token, I also understand that's the sacrifice needed for such intricate work.

To which he replied the following: "Well I know I would be if this was my project, because your doing this to this platform that hands down, no one has ever done. I am talking motor wise. I have done my homework and the intensity and details in work, port work, and treatment technology. No one on your platform has done."

We concluded with me saying that I hope any future consideration to be part of the "Featured Vehicle" display at the Ford National's would (hopefully) be accepted, as in theory, the investment of time, talent, and treasure will be leaps and bounds of where it was at, prior to this same event for 2019 (& I was accepted, but unable to attend due to the failure).

Which he commented: "Yea I think with the reborn of this car, and all the modifications done, that it should be accepted no problem. And at that point its like a piece of art!".

So just thought to provide an update. Hope everyone's doing well.

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[Zpak]

Definitely grinding your way to a nice set of lungs on the old girl. I know just opening up heads and exhaust manifolds on a 289 did wonders to wake it up.
Also, thanks for the tip on jet hot. I hadn’t heard about them and will likely use them for downpipes. I daily in the snow and slop so that is a far better alternative to wrap in our climate.

 

[OmaHahn]

What's your timeline to get this girl back on the road? Sorry if I missed it somewhere in this thread, lots to read....

 

[bpd1151]

Well, at this point, old man Winter will arrive in my area, quicker than I care for. That said, I no longer use it in the Winter, so it's no rush really.

I did mention to machine shop last week that I'd sure appreciate it, if it was road worthy and tuned and what not, by like March of next year (2020).

He replied "oh for sure". So kind of open ended and I ain't about to be a d ! c k and start pressuring vendors, especially with onset of Winter.

I'll keep posting updates as they're provided to me.

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[jman1200]

Just make sure it's ready for the Spring meet in Canada

 

[76FoMoCo]

Just make sure it's ready for the Spring meet in Canada

That's 9 months away ! Should be good to go by then

 

[bpd1151]

10/31/19......

A few things to report since last update.

Machine shop is chugging along on the porting/polishing of the heads..... advising that with each successive effort, followed up by placing heads on bench and flow testing, they're continuing to see repetitive improvements. Shop owner said he's really impressed with the head design as msg'd by FMC, but commented that the gains he's seeing, are astounding. So pretty happy about that development. A solitary, in progress pic was sent and is shown below.

Also, fellow SHO owner Andrew B. (his SHO depicted below) also was instrumental in developing the lower front end splitter for our platform, and I am proud to report that Andrew is finalizing product development, and is ready to ship out orders for same. I've paid for mine in full, and am awaiting delivery to my residence, after the upgraded, Carbon Fiber rods come in. Thanks Andrew!!

I also have an inquiry into PPE Engineering that is awaiting a response as of this posting, inquiring if they would like me to ship to them, my OEM Exhaust Manifolds, to allow them to personally look over same, to see if any improvement can be had on them. If not, then I'll just have them sent to JET-HOT for their ceramic coating applied, just like the DP's will be that PPE is developing for me.

Haven't heard any updates yet from the trans vendor who has my transmission. So that's still in limbo.

What else?? Oh yea, my long time mechanic pal is relocating to a different facility, due to his current property owner nearly doubling his rent. As such, he has requested that the shell of my SHO be flat bedded over to my residence so that I can store in my own garage, to prevent any issues/unintended damage, etc.

I told him sure thing. I also mentioned that doing so will allow me to clean up the engine bay and whatnot, in great detail, since it's an empty shell of an opening.

That's pretty much it for now. As I stated previously, hope everyone's doing well and Happy Halloween to all!

Mike

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[Zpak]

Happy snowy Halloween Mike!

 

[SHOdded]

You can see what has been done so far in the 3.5EB world here
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/

I have doubts about the exhaust manifolds because they are 2 layer in design. May need to create a completely new piece for significant improvement. But ... fingers crossed

 

[bpd1151]

11/02/19......

More assembly work completed.

Also having machine shop research different cam offerings above and beyond OEM.

Continued forward progress is always good!

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[SHOdded]

Candy!

 

[CCXVI]

Lots of shops can do custom cam grinds, so you definitely should be able to make that happen.

 

[bpd1151]

11/15/19.......

Been a lil quiet as of late.

So I texted the machine shop owner twice for updates, and his reply is posted as a screenshot.

That reply was on Wednesday evening, and I was waiting for pics to arrive today as is stated in his message, but alas nothing came across my phone.

So figured I'd at least post up the info that he did provide me.

Moving along, I received the new Reische 170 Thermo, as well as the custom made splitter for the front bumper and carbon fiber rods as well.

I immediately brought them over to the body shop along with my front bumper cover, and dropped both off for them to handle.

I am having them remove the near 7yr old 3M Clear Bra paint protection film which began to yellow, and having them repair/repaint both the entire front cover (couple areas where big rocks penetrated the film and knicked the paint) as well as having them repair/repaint the existing lower front chin spoiler PRIOR TO them installing/attaching/fastening the new splitter to the spoiler.

Also having them repair/repaint the outer frames of BOTH the upper AND lower custom grilles, as those were never clear bra'd, and they each have their share of accumulated rock dings, blemishes etc.

Once all that's done, then gonna have to wait 30 days before having it all re-clear bra'd once again.

Also learned that PPE finished my pipes, and they were just shipped out today, via FedEx to JET-HOT for the next part of the process.

Also am looking into having the factory exhaust manifolds undergo a process called "extrude honing" for better flow and removing any factory imperfections. Researching vendors currently. Also placed an inquiry into JET-HOT to see if they can also apply their 2500 degree coating to the manifolds, and their heat shields.

Finally, I learned from my long time mechanic pal/friend, that he contacted the vendor who has my trans, it's been taken apart and is undergoing inspection now to see what is what and where and blah blah blah. So that's beginning to make some progress.

Snail's pace it seems. But there's so much going on, and all in separate ways, that it's becoming challenging to keep track of.

That's it for now. Hope this finds everyone well and enjoy your upcoming Thanksgiving holiday!

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