another IPT diff bites the dust....

[shojuan]

RickieFrat:
You guys (n' gals) have to relize this. PERFORMANCE PARTS HAVE NO WARRANTY.

Quaife does. Lifetime. Hehehehe.

 

[SHOFASTPERFORMANCE]

SHOFAST diffs are still working fine!!!!!

 

[ohioshodude]

SHOFAST diffs ?? hummm...... sound interesting. you guys need a web page! i gotta know what you have! thumb

 

[shotimev6]

RickieFrat:

Yamaha V6:
Counting down the time until Heather posts the inevitable flame attack in response to this...

lol lol lol


On another note ...... You guys (n' gals) have to relize this. PERFORMANCE PARTS HAVE NO WARRANTY. This is sad but true. Unless you have a company making products in mass quanity. When you talk about aftermarket products for the SHO, stop and think how many engines some people have gone through after supercharging them. Metal is a wear-able part. Kinda like brakes. Now i'm not flaming here but come on people ............. These cars are not Mustangs or Camaros. Its not like you can go to your closest speed shop and start ordering performance parts.

What are you guys gonna do if everyone backs away from the SHO from producing aftermarket parts ??? rant

yeah but one doesnt expect these parts to break when youre not racing. and quaife is the way to go. you know theyre not ******* around when they warranty under race conditions

 

[1fastsho]

I have broken an input shaft in this car and it broke before the diff did. Fred I am getting pretty tired of your SH@t.

Mike I am sorry, I didnt know it would break...I have had it for about a year now and it didnt break with me.

I dont feel stupid. I didn't dump this car off. I also dont understnad the ******** about the paint? the car body has 233k miles, it is not a new car. he got a rebuilt motor 3.2L, tons of suspension and wheels and tires for $4k...sorry you got a deal there.

I expect nothing less than a tirade of post bashiongme and my stuff what a ****** person I am oh how ****** I am and my car is. it wasnt and isnt.

I had no way of knowing and after all before the shwan bashing starts lets find out what actually happened. I will not however be revisiting this post or this board. I am done.

Shofast thisis funny because your diffs are made just like ours right?Isnt that what you said?

<small>[ July 23, 2003, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: 1fastsho ]</small>

 

[Yamaha V6]

1fastsho:
I have broken an input shaft in this car and it broke before the diff did. Fred I am getting pretty tired of your SH@t.

As usual, you misinterpreted (intentionally or otherwise) my post, and now I'm pissy. I meant nothing against you personally, in fact I even said what I'd be saying, which is likely worse than what you'd be saying. When I talk about YOU I usually throw a disclaimer about how I PERSONALLY think that YOU are a nice guy, etc., that it's your PRODUCT that's the issue. Separate the two Shawn, everyone else in the world is usually able to make the distinction.

Now back to your product, I think "your personal diff" which you've been bragging about having no problems with (again, documentable) over the past year or whatever, which you keep pointing to as if to say the others that have blow MUST be a quirk or rare occurrence, puts the icing on the cake. Plain and simple Shawn, your diff is CRAP. Even if the diff itself is solid and it caused the trans to be the weak point, again, in my opinion, your diff is crap. You know the limitations of the product you're working with, and your design isn't a good match. We've said it before - yes, there have been a couple of Quaife failures over the years, but far fewer than the ones reported by your customers (Just like there have been V6 solid cam failures like Mike K showed, vs the far larger number of V8 cam failures).

I have an idea. Let's create a self-sealing tire that has a sealant that is acidic & slowly eats wheel material on contact. Hey, I've created a product that is better than the original - who cares if the wheel rots out from underneath you and one day causes a tire-deflation accident killing a family of 6 in their minivan on vacation, never mind the whole "it ate one of my $300 wheels, which are discontinued, essentially costing some poor schmuck $1200...". Get the picture Shawn? It's a poor design.

Professionally, perhaps you're not in a position to openly admit that (like Ford with the cams), but as an enthusiast watching owners cars go to the toilet with your product installed in them, I'm going to be vocal about it - THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS FORUM - share information & opinions about things related to our cars. It's an OPINION Shawn, I'm entitled to it, and I honestly don't CARE if you're tired of me voicing it. Until you create a better design or the last of them blow up, I'll gladly keep telling people how your diffs have a far higher failure rate than other differentials out there. It's true and factual, publicly documentable Shawn.

Mike's post wasn't "Hey, I got FANTASTIC traction from Shawn's diff..." it was "got to watch my sho with 60 miles on it since i bought it, get pulled onto a flatbed.

me=hella ******. only like 6000 miles on the trans with an IPT diff."

You're going to have to deal with the FACT that cars with your differentials are blowing up, that people are going to be ****** about it, that they're going to talk about it, and that people without your product are going to spread the word too. THAT'S LIFE, now grow up & deal with it.

Hey, one last thought...

YOU DON'T OWN A SHO, YOU'RE NOT SELLING SHO PRODUCTS ANYMORE (YET AGAIN), WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE? Go be tired of me elsewhere, or get off your duff & create a better mousetrap. I sincerely hope you DO Shawn, because I was glad that you were in business - some of your products were fantastic, reasonable, and a benefit to the community. Till then...

 

[Huntervf]

C'mon Fred, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel eek!

All in all I gotta say this: I salute those who try to make performance parts for our cars because it is indeed a small market. But no matter how small the market, there's still exists a responsibility to make quality items. Based on the evidence I've seen I'm VERY glad I never got the IPT diff I had ordered. My SHO has enough trouble holding together!

 

[Mike Kopstain]

I talked to a couple people yesterday evening that had the IPT differential fail. They described similar clunking sounds and the pulling to one side that the car did before dying. They also said that the car would go into gear and move a little, but grind, clunk, and rattle while doing it.

The above describes this car's symptoms to a T, so pretty much any doubt has been removed.

<small>[ July 23, 2003, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Mikeys_Taurus ]</small>

 

[shotimev6]

shawn if you do come back here and read this, i am very happy with the car and have no complaints other that the trans. yes, there was a cocoon of stuff covering up some very shiny paint. no complaints. the suspension is completely badass. no complaints there. i just want everyone to know im very happy with the rest of the car. the trans...well, that will soon be remedied

 

[ChitownA34DR]

shotimev6:
shawn if you do come back here and read this, i am very happy with the car and have no complaints other that the trans. yes, there was a cocoon of stuff covering up some very shiny paint. no complaints. the suspension is completely badass. no complaints there. i just want everyone to know im very happy with the rest of the car. the trans...well, that will soon be remedied

yea, damn Mike wouldn't shut up about how you can barely push down the car with the suspension being so tight.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

Chiming in in Freds defense:

EVERYTIME someone brings up IPT, he is the first to say that personalyl, Shawn is a GREAT guy. He makes it fully known that he has no problems with Shawn, only with IPT products that are not suitable for the application they are intended for. That is the fine line you have to see whn you own a business....the person and the product are two different entities.

 

[SHOspazz92]

Yamaha V6

Hey, one last thought...

YOU DON'T OWN A SHO, YOU'RE NOT SELLING SHO PRODUCTS ANYMORE (YET AGAIN), WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE? [/QB]

Hey Hey Hey....that hurts ya know frown

 

[thebigjimsho]

RCADDELL:
Chiming in in Freds defense:

EVERYTIME someone brings up IPT, he is the first to say that personalyl, Shawn is a GREAT guy. He makes it fully known that he has no problems with Shawn, only with IPT products that are not suitable for the application they are intended for. That is the fine line you have to see whn you own a business....the person and the product are two different entities.

This is exactly my thought. Shawn, best wishes.

 

[Chris Benvie]

The way I see it is that, when you a make a product, and it fails. You should do all that you can to make it right. Even if you have to replace your faulty Product with another companys better product. Thats My feeling on that. If yours breaks fix it with soemthing better. A company that does not make good on thier wrongdoings will never last as a company, and will grow into debt and then bankrupsy. Law suits will start and others will get involved and these other maybe able to afford better Lawyers than you ever could. But then again this is a scenario and like i was told before my another member, i have no idea what i'm talking about.

Shawn, you seem to be an ok person from what I see, but you need to go back and stand behind your product as it is still failing people.


Have a nice day

 

[SHOFASTPERFORMANCE]

Shawn you dont want to start this sh@t with me. You know its really funny that your diff guys tried to get one from my guys and tried to copy it. Dont start shit with me about my products. If mine can stand up in Carters supercharged Gen 3 they can def hold up in a stock application. Maybe if you want to try and build some knock off version and then you guys still mess it up its pretty sad.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

SHOFASTPERFORMANCE:
Shawn you dont want to start this sh@t with me. You know its really funny that your diff guys tried to get one from my guys and tried to copy it. Dont start shit with me about my products. If mine can stand up in Carters supercharged Gen 3 they can def hold up in a stock application. Maybe if you want to try and build some knock off version and then you guys still mess it up its pretty sad.

well now, wasnt that mature squint

I am slowly loosing repect for a LOT of people on the forum these days... frown

 

[90MTXSHO]

NotSoSlowSHO:
I am slowly loosing repect for a LOT of people on the forum these days...

You and me both, Kenny. More reason to get out of the game, I'm afraid squint

 

[Yamaha V6]

Kenny, there's a lot that happens behind the scenes that folks don't know about, and it's probably best it stays that way. In any case, no one here's 100% angel, and ***-shots & skeletons pop up - it's inevitable.

Brad, one suggestion that's been voiced before is to get the SHO Fast site up & running. People don't know about your products because there's no catalog or gallery for them to see them on. Regardless of who came first, etc., IPT got rolling on a number of products because they could point to something other than Carter's car.

Thoughts from the field.

BTW, how is Carter's car doing? (not a dig; I heard he was having issues, and I didn't get any further info). Will the 4.0L V8 be running? That'd be a sweet setup if it can be made to handle 50k+ miles.

 

[SHOFASTPERFORMANCE]

The website has been in progress for a while. It is slowly being put up. It has gotten put off because of all the work I have had in progress. The Gen 3 wagon should be done by mid SEPT with the 4.0 blown in it. I finally got the rest of the parts for mine so I will also finish it this month. Carters car is almost doen as far as I know . I know Carter has been busy with work. YEA there sure is alot that goes on behind the scenes nobody heres about.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Yamaha V6
[QB] Kenny, there's a lot that happens behind the scenes that folks don't know about, and it's probably best it stays that way.QB]

I realize that Fred.

I am way out of "the loop" relative to the SHO community. Having never even met another SHOforum member and never purchasing from any vendors other than Tom at the SHOSHOP.

What many vendors need to understand is that forum represents a strong community of SHO owners, and out of those owners the majority stand at a viewpoint similar to my own. My only link to the SHO community at the moment is the forum.

Certain people should handle themselves MUCH more professionaly than they do on the forum.

There are only a handful of SHO performance product vendors that do just that. The rest... well, I have chosen not to deal with them simply because of their inability to present a professional additude.