94MTX no start

[mikeyp66xxx]

I have A94MTX it will not start and run without starter fluid I replace the ECM the CCR M the fuel pump plugs and everything else and cannot seem to keep it running I have no pedal when it starts I can't give it gas it won't accept any pedal at all, And the throttle cables are fine and everything else I can't keep it running I put it to the floor and it doesn't do anything it receives nothing, Please help this is my daily driver

 

[luigisho]

to keep this running you will need to access obd 1 codes. I recommend Innova 3145 for ford vehicles. You can get one on amazon but I think the price is the same as advertised online at autozone. https://www.autozone.com/test-scan-...der/p/innova-ford-obd1-code-reader/273350_0_0

That is where I would start and see what is in there. I have a few guesses but any information will help narrow down areas to focus on. I would also recommend a used SHO shop repair manual. https://www.ebay.com/itm/185999167689?_trkparms=amclksrc=ITM&aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=252415&meid=2f2b404d608b44d987d40b6322bc89ce&pid=101195&rk=1&rkt=12&sd=334545110997&itm=185999167689&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=SimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2V4VMEV3AndVisRankerAndBertRecallAndMultiModalRecall&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum:1859991676892f2b404d608b44d987d40b6322bc89ce|enc:AQAIAAABQA2rugFlOq3qu1cLac%2F%2Fk6Vp0Oa0HaJIqoXKeIiOR%2BTUgsSvHaeyPxKYu6UqHqq7GaaTVH8btKq2EhwBSpsdUf6fC7wyaslvdZDht5xH7fb8W%2FEFTPpXq6gBypYUdgBgdvOjAQh0RDsRgBVlztzRqqjRfgaufMS410U0D0NaaaTrQSHuJ3vvlpdL7gattf07FhSdwMdPdQjV6mMqe8dOmFrO7Z8mMhkLjWb2YZwiPG3uEH%2FVDhwoFsb8GWLwTZqzBLV65QgPNCqMY3V6kEO%2By96q9f5lTBD%2FI05sjxNPU8Qp1Ur1XeAOMruAyLYjUsRSAw8l0Ap4CM4mDRDH3P75OVz30T%2B3TPXAlU33%2B34JA39D9%2F8dLFi2DdYuZhWb%2Fe%2FVUBa2fs1klqC6k3jfkOrNKq%2BHKQo3OJoddquMSbd%2FtTh9|ampidL_CLK|clp:2047675

This should have all model Taurus models including SHO engine

 

[SHOrod]

Have you checked the inertia switch to determine if power is getting to and through it to the fuel pump? If so, have you checked the fuel rail for correct fuel pressure? When running on starter fluid is the tachometer reporting the engine speed? Have you checked for diagnostic codes?

When you say you have "no pedal" does the throttle plate physically move when you depress the accelerator pedal? Are you really just trying to say that opening the throttle does not seem to effect how the engine runs, even on starter fluid?

-Rod

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

Have you checked the inertia switch to determine if power is getting to and through it to the fuel pump? If so, have you checked the fuel rail for correct fuel pressure? When running on starter fluid is the tachometer reporting the engine speed? Have you checked for diagnostic codes?

When you say you have "no pedal" does the throttle plate physically move when you depress the accelerator pedal? Are you really just trying to say that opening the throttle does not seem to effect how the engine runs, even on starter fluid?

-Rod

Have you checked the inertia switch to determine if power is getting to and through it to the fuel pump? If so, have you checked the fuel rail for correct fuel pressure? When running on starter fluid is the tachometer reporting the engine speed? Have you checked for diagnostic codes?

When you say you have "no pedal" does the throttle plate physically move when you depress the accelerator pedal? Are you really just trying to say that opening the throttle does not seem to effect how the engine runs, even on starter fluid?

-Rod

I put a new ecm in it and cabt recieve any codes. I have good fuel pressure at the rail. Would it hurt to run a key on wire tomy ecm for the 2 pins that need key on power. I dont think mine are powering up when i have my key on, i do have constant on the one that needs it. Also should i ground the ecm on the three that require a ground?

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

I put a new ecm in it and cabt recieve any codes. I have good fuel pressure at the rail. Would it hurt to run a key on wire tomy ecm for the 2 pins that need key on power. I dont think mine are powering up when i have my key on, i do have constant on the one that needs it. Also should i ground the ecm on the three that require a ground?

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

I appreciate any help that you can give me, i do have a chilton manual

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

By no pedal, it doesnt respond, my throttle body opens

 

[zoomlater]

is the code on your ECM an X2J, is it a known working unit? And the CCRM is an D code?

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

Yes on first, unsure on second has individual relays and they are all working

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

Yes on first, unsure on second has individual relays and they are all working

And the fuel pump is wired on ignition

 

[luigisho]

If you have the correct computer why can it not receive codes? Is there a wiring issue?

The CCRM must match the original to function properly. There are capital Letters to designate the correct one. For instance the auto SHO's are not the same relay module (CCRM) as the manual car. In addition other Taurus and Ford vehicles have different relay modules (Constant Control Relay Module). All ccrm's have relays but they have to match up properly. Unless you are saying it has been rewired for individual relays.

There may to be a communication issue in the thread. Concepts and definitions have to line up so we are not talking past each other. Chilton's does not have what is needed for the SHO as I remember. It's been a long time but I always found factory shop repair manuals on ebay for cheap that had everything I needed. Don't forget that the regular Taurus also came with a 3.0L Vulcan engine that is not the SHO engine.

It was functioning and running correctly when you bought it?

 

[SHOrod]

Did you replace the ECM in an attempt to solve the no-start issue? And if so, do you still have the original ECM that you can put back in the car and see if you are able to retrieve codes from it? Are you trying to retrieve codes with the light flash method or using a scan tool?

-Rod

 

[SHOrod]

I put a new ecm in it and cabt recieve any codes. I have good fuel pressure at the rail. Would it hurt to run a key on wire tomy ecm for the 2 pins that need key on power. I dont think mine are powering up when i have my key on, i do have constant on the one that needs it. Also should i ground the ecm on the three that require a ground?

Have you checked for power at the ECM? If you confirm that you do not have power to them, you should try to track down why they don't have power rather than forcing power to them and possibly causing damage. Same for the ground wires.

-Rod

 

[luigisho]

The other issue that I think I remember is that this car overheated. So there could be failed sensor, fuel pump, wiring, head gasket etc. Did you check for coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant?

 

[zoomlater]

here is a thread showing the differences between a J code, M code and D code CCRM

IRCM/CCRM details

So the ccrm that came on the car when I bought it broke, it had a letter M on it and I have now found out that is the right one for my 93 mtx. I bought a module with a J on it from a junk yard and it works but my car isnt recognizing the new cps it seems like. I just wanted to know what will...

shoforum.com

 

[zoomlater]

this thread (page 1) has pictures of an M code and D code CCRM, does it look like either one of these

Help

94' sho, changed the fuel pump and relay. Fuel still not being pumped. Can direct spray in intake will run , but not on its own.

shoforum.com

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

The other issue that I think I remember is that this car overheated. So there could be failed sensor, fuel pump, wiring, head gasket etc. Did you check for coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant?

It got hot but didnt even empty the radiator, just soaked everything down and it hit 0° that night and froze everthing solid. Has new fuel pump and no oil or water cross contamination and has even compression on all cylinders

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

this thread (page 1) has pictures of an M code and D code CCRM, does it look like either one of these

Help

94' sho, changed the fuel pump and relay. Fuel still not being pumped. Can direct spray in intake will run , but not on its own.

shoforum.com

Its been rewired with relays

 

[mikeyp66xxx]

Did you replace the ECM in an attempt to solve the no-start issue? And if so, do you still have the original ECM that you can put back in the car and see if you are able to retrieve codes from it? Are you trying to retrieve codes with the light flash method or using a scan tool?

-Rod

Sent the old one in for a core

 

[SHOrod]

Its been rewired with relays

So you've done away with the CCRM and just have a bank of discrete relays now? Did that work at one point, or was this an attempt to solve the no start condition? I've always wondered if it is possible to just basically make your own CCRM. The one I had apart years ago had quite a bit of supporting circuitry in addition to the relays. That particular one had a blown transistor which of course had a "house" part number so it wasn't easy to cross reference.