Stock long block record?

[yamahaSHO]

Get a turbo.

I have to agree with this... If you're wanting to do events like this or really perform when "people are watching", a turbo is going to do much better. At the same WHP that this car makes, a turbo will have a much broader torque curve, and a lot more of it... Which would have probably gotten him much closer to 120 MPH. If you want to road course a car with smooth, predictable power, the Vortech will do well.


I was supposed to have a 500whp STi that I tuned out that day too, which I was really interested in the comparison, but he ended up having something come up at work and could not make it. I suspect that car is 10mph faster at the strip.

Which power band would you rather have?

 

[One_Shot]

Jesse I’ve spoken to you about this topic before but I really want it to sink in. So I’ll try to explain again. My build goals are completely different than yours and that’s why I went supercharger. turbo makes more sense for your goals.

My build is meant to be a show car that is nice to drive on the weekends that I can have fun with and honor my family’s heritage. My great great uncle John Bandimere sr invented and patented one of the first superchargers for automotive use. During that time he worked as a traveling salesman selling and installing his superchargers before opening Bandimere speedway 60 years ago. My family is very proud of his accomplishments and because of that I have strong sentimental ties to superchargers. That’s why all of my cars have superchargers. I also don’t care if there’s cars faster than mine. I’m very happy with what I built and couldn’t be happier with how it ran on Saturday. I had a blast hanging out with family and friends plus the car got a lot of attention and I met a lot of new people. Can’t wait to run it again next year. That is what I was after and I could care less that I got beat by someone else. It kept up with all the cars anybody could have expected it to. And i still drove it to the track and back home.

If you really want a car that is going to beat any 4th gen out there and anything out on the street like you say you do, you’re going to want a turbo. Especially because you’ll have a transmission that can take the torque unlike me. With a supercharger you can make high horsepower but you don’t have the power duration that turbos do. Yes, I make 500 whp but it’s also with a lot less torque and only at 8000 rpm. Meaning any turbo car that makes even 400 whp even though it makes less peak power than me will get the jump on my car every time and I have to catch back up once I get into high rpm. Turbos make full boost a lot earlier and carry that boost for a lot longer. So if you’re serious about making a supercharged car you need to make a lot more power than a turbo one does so you can catch back up to it before the end of the race.

The race with the eclipse at the end of the video is an awesome example of turbo vs supercharger. The eclipse obviously makes less peak power than me but It got its power before me and pulled away off the line when it got full boost but I caught up at the end of second gear when I hit peak boost. Then When I shifted into third the whole thing repeats itself. it pulled away again because I was at lower rpm and not making my peak power but I caught it again by the end of the track. During that run my trap speed was something like 8 mph faster than hers but she still got away from me. Some of that problem can be alleviated with a bigger/more efficient supercharger but you will never carry boost like turbos do. So unless you make way more power than whatever you’re racing you’ll always be playing catch-up with a supercharger. It’s just up to whether you make enough to catch back up. And in my case I ran out of track.

So in short is my car fast? Yeah.
Is it fun? **** yeah.
Will it beat most stuff I run into on the street? So far it hasn’t lost.
Is it a 4th gen killer (or a track car killer for that matter)? No.

Im not saying it can’t be done with a blower, just saying a turbo would be a lot easier.

Oh, and on a side note nobody seems to realize that other people build their cars too. Everybody looks at the video and thinks that my car must be slow, but you’re all looking at it the wrong way. All the cars in the video are actually all a lot faster than you might think. The mustang and ctsv I ran with both trapped around 130 mph. And the fact that my car was as close to both of them as it was actually makes me even more proud of it. I didn’t see under the hood of the eclipse or the other Mitsubishi but I know they are both healthy turbo cars. So maybe before you get all disappointed about the videos you should realize what my car was actually up against.

I still vote turbo for your build.

 

[bpd1151]

Incredibly well articulated.

 

[Jesse Menck]

I don’t wanna lol. I want to be different. And my whole goals to just make a supercharger SHO faster than any 4th gen.

 

[Jesse Menck]

Your car just made me realize that I just need to hit 700 at the wheels. And I’ll have the tq to be alright. I know it’d be easier with a turbo. I didn’t choose the sho for easy I chose it to be different. Hence why I want a crazy blower car so bad

 

[Jesse Menck]

Plus you ran with a full sound system. Your box is what easily 50-75 lbs in itself

 

[Jesse Menck]

There’s always nitrous. Lol. I just have to pull it out of storage

 

[yamahaSHO]

To be fair, a few of us have already built supercharged SHO faster than any 4th Gen, just not from a dig. After doing a supercharger on my SHO, I haven't done a supercharger since. It dragged power, requiring larger injectors, it was kind of obnoxious from the noises it made, it wore my front main bearing pretty quickly, and I found myself wanting it to have more midrange power.

If you add nitrous, go with a direct port kit. Zach had a lot more flow to one cylinder compared to the others and it caused some nice knocking, as visible by the top of the piston. And that was with E85... And still the set of pistons currently in the car.

I wouldn't focus too much on that sound system. He could have removed that and there rest of the interior and wouldn't have gotten an closer to the Mustang or CTS-V.

 

[BamSHO]

First Mike's sound system wasn't installed till a year or so after he set that record. Any of the 11s Gen 4,5 cars DIDN'T have any weight reduction, as in interiors removed or audio. They were raced at full weight. I've owned all Gens and think this all bunch of crap. We all should be thrilled to have any Gen in the 11s or faster just because there has been little or no aftermarket support.

 

[yamahaSHO]

Hmm... Okay?

 

[One_Shot]

First Mike's sound system wasn't installed till a year or so after he set that record. Any of the 11s Gen 4,5 cars DIDN'T have any weight reduction, as in interiors removed or audio. They were raced at full weight. I've owned all Gens and think this all bunch of crap. We all should be thrilled to have any Gen in the 11s or faster just because there has been little or no aftermarket support.

He was referring to my sound system not mikes. I was running with 2 12’s and four amps in my car on Saturday. My car was 600 lbs over stock weight with me in it when I put it on the scale during the races.

 

[Jesse Menck]

Call me a hater. Goal is still to make a full interior. gen 1 take 2nd on the list. I just wanted to be able to do it with a charger. But I may just let it go. With what I’m in it. Plus it needs a rebuild I’d easily be able to fund a good turbo and pipes and still have money left

 

[Jesse Menck]

I just can’t over the Z that did 700 and 600 tq with a TI. As far as I can tell N/A with Bolton’s the motors are about the same power wise

 

[Jesse Menck]

Well. You convinced me. @yamahaSHO i need help choosing a turbo

 

[yamahaSHO]

How much power?

 

[Jesse Menck]

Something like Zach’s first turbo lol

 

[yamahaSHO]

That's the turbo is was going to recommend... EFR 8374.

 

[Jesse Menck]

Lol. Expensive bastard

 

[yamahaSHO]

You don't have to buy a BOV/BPV, comes with EBCS to add external boost control, and you can even elect to use the internal wastegate as they perform well... Add all that up, it's generally cheaper to go with the EFR.

I have an EFR 6758 on my STi and EFR 7064 on my S2000 and utilize all the built-ins.

 

[Jesse Menck]

I will most likely go that way. I just wish I would have thought this through and bought Zach’s old one. Or never spent the money on the S trim. But oh well.