New time to beat with just tune!

[darreli]

So I picked up 6 mphs over my best pass and 1 more tenth. I'm gonna try to make it out there one more time before the end of the season. I believe if I could have hung out longer yesterday I could have got it down pretty close. The traction was terrible (track prep) and I had to run with the TC "on" after that first pass.

Felt like crap but I was still a good time. Thanks Scrmn for the pics!

 

[Crash712us]

No worries just busting your balls, I had my daughter this weekend and was busy with her. Oh by the way AWESOME TIMES!

Sorry I'm a little late chiming in here....I feel like sh*t! I did happen to improve on my time a little bit...but still not an 11. I'll post the slips up, I only made 3 passes and the first one the car shut down due to what I believe was the excess tire spin (scary, let me tell you) the other two were 12.22 and a 12.13 at 117.

Sorry....I didnt know I was going till literally the day before and became pretty ill so I wasnt sure I was even gonna go until last minute. I didnt want to tell you I'd be there and then not show up. I was only there for 45 minutes anyway because I had a birthday party with my boys I had to attend.


He got around me right at the end of the track! I love the AWD...these cars get out of the hole realy good!

 

[SeanMc]

Congrats to all the new personal bests!

 

[Billm0066]

How do you guys like Lapeer? I havent been to the strip yet this year, and thinking about going next weekend. I have only been to Milan a few times, and that was 4 years ago at least.

 

[First-SHO]

Actually it is a very bumpy track for sure, but fast. Milan is a much nicer track.

 

[Scrming]

Actually it is a very bumpy track for sure, but fast. Milan is a much nicer track.

agree that Milan is much nicer... however, Lapeer is a LOT less crowded! Basically make as many passes as you could possibly want... But ssshhh, don't tell everyone or it will get too crowded!!! LOL

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

I only made 3 passes and the first one the car shut down due to what I believe was the excess tire spin (scary, let me tell you) the other two were 12.22 and a 12.13 at 117.

AIN'T that the truth!:thankyou: Think this is partly due to our HP and the Conti DW's getting hard when the weather turns cold.

That happened to me 9 of 12 runs, in early Oct and I tried everything, including as minimal power braking as I could muster....

Only thing that worked was to attempt a short burnout after going thru water pit which warmed up the tires. It worked about 1/2 the time and resulted in 3 non-shut down runs. That's when I got my 12.901 at 106.85 mph. I had also de-tuned the car back to Torrie's (my exclusive) BAP #1, down from BAP#5. Unfortunately due to AWD, box burnouts make the car move foreward PDQ!:woo-hoo:

After conferring with Torrie and others, the solution I am going to try (soon) is to get some Nitto 05A Drag Radials in 285-40-18 size which match my 18" -255-45 Conti's (almost exactly 27" tall), and run them on some 18 x 9" wheels. Trying to decide if I want to go cheap with Replica's or expensive with your TSW Interlagos. Another thing we are going to try is to back off the boost slightly and add a couple more degrees of advance. My boost is really high at times, but very peaky, simply because the turbo's can't supply that boost consistently due to their small size.

In a way, I'm glad you had this happen, as it has been happening to me all the time up north this summer, even when testing tunes. Certainly don't wish this on anyone, but at least it confirms that I am not alone...... Believe there are other reasons besides cool temps, like older asphalt, that is not as hot as the new-smooth-black FL surfaces I was testing on. I have also added straight methanol to the WW tank, which was likely about a 75/25 mix on that best run. What I was concerned about is that the rear clutches in my AWD system may be getting weak because of the WOT runs and the HP being developed. Hopefully that isn't the case.

I also think that this proves that a stall converter may not work. Until there is a way to strengthen the torque input of the rear AWD clutches, a 2,800 or higher launch will only make the car shut down sooner in my opinion.

In a couple runs where I purposely left the pedal to the metal after shutdown, it slowed the Flex by about .3-.4 but had less than 1 mph difference.

 

[darreli]

As Mike said...Milan is much nicer but Lapeer is much faster. May have to have the best of both worlds and head down to Norwalk! Summit Motorsports is a very nice track and my Lightning always ran quicker there.

Bob.. I think the slick idea might be a good one. This isn't the first time the car has shut down on me as you know, it happened a lot at the end of last season. I believe it's the cold track...hope the slicks work

 

[Scrming]

As Mike said...Milan is much nicer but Lapeer is much faster. May have to have the best of both worlds and head down to Norwalk! Summit Motorsports is a very nice track and my Lightning always ran quicker there.

Bob.. I think the slick idea might be a good one. This isn't the first time the car has shut down on me as you know, it happened a lot at the end of last season. I believe it's the cold track...hope the slicks work

I plan on heading to ATCO for Black Friday... Bit of a drive but had a goog time last year!

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

******????? :laugh_ti::laugh_ti::laugh_ti:

Mike, I know we have similiar mods, so I'm wondering if our times wouldn't be similiar as well?

Congrats on the runs! Consistent 12.4's are pretty damn impressive

 

[steve142857]

As Mike said...Milan is much nicer but Lapeer is much faster. May have to have the best of both worlds and head down to Norwalk! Summit Motorsports is a very nice track and my Lightning always ran quicker there.

Bob.. I think the slick idea might be a good one. This isn't the first time the car has shut down on me as you know, it happened a lot at the end of last season. I believe it's the cold track...hope the slicks work

How would you be able to burn the slicks? I simply cannot make my tires burns... What is the technique?

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

3Bar MAPv sensor, W/M and lighter wheels/tires.......

Perhaps your tires work better than Conti DW's when it's cold.

 

[First-SHO]

bpd1151, yes our cars are close, so in theory they should be close. Although, factory engines do have hp variations, so I could just have a good strong engine.

Steve, I can light my tires up anytime. With or without brake torquing.

 

[silverknight]

lapeer will always be "faster" mainly because their timing isnt set up that well. so i would take the times/mph from there with a grain of salt. milan, ubly, and others always seem to have more believable times. and yeah, stay out of the right lane at lapeer. it has a nice bump. and yeah, track prep there has always been a joke. i spun with a 140hp, 160tq fwd car on good wide 17s.

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

You missed me..... I was in Rockford last Mon. & Tues.:woo-hoo::woo-hoo: and have since escaped to FL!:angelnot:

Hmmmmmm perhaps

But I am a paid observer, so I do like looking at things both from afar, as well as up close & personal.....

So watch it EBB, I may be stalking you next.....

Muahahahahahahahaha

 

[RealityCheck]

Perhaps the thread title should have been:
New time to beat with tune, CAI, exhaust, radiator, thermostat, lowering

 

[Scrming]

lapeer will always be "faster" mainly because their timing isnt set up that well. so i would take the times/mph from there with a grain of salt. milan, ubly, and others always seem to have more believable times. and yeah, stay out of the right lane at lapeer. it has a nice bump. and yeah, track prep there has always been a joke. i spun with a 140hp, 160tq fwd car on good wide 17s.

Lapeer's timing is actually a LOT better these days. Yes, it used to be a LOT faster, but they replaced their timing equipment last year and it appears to be more accurate.

Went to MIR (Maryland). Had a great DA but a strong HEADWIND was killing everyone on the big end:

That was on a Friday... that next Sunday I went to Lapeer:

So I think the timing is much accurate now at Lapeer.

 

[Scrming]

Perhaps the thread title should have been:
New time to beat with tune, CAI, exhaust, radiator, thermostat, lowering

I'm shooting for the fastest non-shop owned (sorry Rick!) Flex with just a tune! Our Flex is 100% stock except for the LMS Stage 4+ tune! Right down to the big old 20" wheels! LOL

 

[steve142857]

Perhaps the thread title should have been:
New time to beat with tune, CAI, exhaust, radiator, thermostat, lowering

Funny! But also funny when people at the track ask me : so, what did you do to run those times? And I answer : a tune, CAI, suspension, exhaust and fast stickers lol! And they say, Ah, ok... it's basically stock... For them a tune is not considered a mod... For me it is the mod that has the most effect on the car.. esp. for the price!
Thanks again Rick and guys at Livernois!

 

[Night hawk]

Had a little traction problem running my winter wheels and tires, but ran well. Lat time to the track this year. Heavy mods over the winter. Will keep you posted on new products working on.

Great times mike, I take it by the title these times were run before the bolt on parts listed?