PonySHO
FOG
Let's start a new thread... ummmm, call it brake discussion. This was supposed to be about bigger turbos and we got off on a tangent. Hope you guys don't mind.
so, lets talk bigger turbo's????????
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Bob Gervais
Wut?
Every single thread in this section has gotten off on a tangent. IMO, eventually we're gonna need subforums for different areas of upgrades/discussion. But, I'll follow the leader until then... if there's anything else to be said about brakes.
Try Napa for turning your Powerslot rotors, they should be able to do it. I have tracked Power Slot rotors with SHO Stopper Jr and a cold track pad and didn't crack them, however, I was able to turn the the area just inside the pad swept aread blue from heat. I have severly cracked a cheaper set of slotted rotors with spirited canyon/street driving.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
If you run 200+ mile races, or do 12-24-hour events, spend the $$$ on high $$$ rotors. For what we do, buy the cheapest you can find. The $20-35 AutoZone Chinese rotors have worked fine for many of us over the years. All of the slotted/drilled/chromed crap is for the ricer crowd, and doesn'r do squat for your braking. Spend the $$$ on pads and tires.
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typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
Yea, I was gonna say something, but I figured just let it roll...
Haha, I just thought of the newest ricer mod, a cross drilled and slotted turbo!! It ads like 200hp instantly & decreases braking distances!!! I could probably sell a few on eBay if they were chrome...
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hawkeye18
Sorta cares
typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
ROFL! Nice!
beefcake
New Member
well, i talked to garrett today,
the turbo is a new unique design specifically for the SHO.
I'm waiting on a call back from the field engineer to see if he can give me some insight as to what the turbo can handle
the turbo is a new unique design specifically for the SHO.
I'm waiting on a call back from the field engineer to see if he can give me some insight as to what the turbo can handle
typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
I talked to an engineer from Honeywell that worked on the SHO program and he said the turbos will take more power/torque than the tranny, that's for sure.
And the engineer from Honeywell had something to do with the trans?
IMO, the stock turbo's are on the edge of efficiency at mid 12 passes. Sure, they can make more power. Just like I made some crazy power with a small T3/4 in the original turbo SHO. But the TQ drop-off up high was pronounced. I had no tweecer then, so no datalogs, but I bet my IAT's were pretty high. Sure, the car spit out 430whp on the dyno, and could have even done more, but it was outside it's efficiency islands I am sure. The tiny 2010 turbo's are probably well within their sweet spot at the advertised 365hp, at least in the sub 'near-redline' rpms. But to drop a second off the 1/4 in a 4500lb vehicle takes some power. A good guess would be somewhere in the area of 120hp. IOW, you are now asking the turbo's to handle 33% MORE power than stock. That is a lot to ask. IMO, 500chp is about all those little guys should be expected to push. And without knowing how much heat the exchanger can efficiently remove, I would make sure my tune was spot on if I planned on constantly running the boost required to make that 500chp. Spot on tune and some race fuel, maybe some meth injection, then who knows how much you can get. But for 91 octane, stock everything, tune-only, I am willing to bet a beer that 500chp is about all you want to see.
IMO, the stock turbo's are on the edge of efficiency at mid 12 passes. Sure, they can make more power. Just like I made some crazy power with a small T3/4 in the original turbo SHO. But the TQ drop-off up high was pronounced. I had no tweecer then, so no datalogs, but I bet my IAT's were pretty high. Sure, the car spit out 430whp on the dyno, and could have even done more, but it was outside it's efficiency islands I am sure. The tiny 2010 turbo's are probably well within their sweet spot at the advertised 365hp, at least in the sub 'near-redline' rpms. But to drop a second off the 1/4 in a 4500lb vehicle takes some power. A good guess would be somewhere in the area of 120hp. IOW, you are now asking the turbo's to handle 33% MORE power than stock. That is a lot to ask. IMO, 500chp is about all those little guys should be expected to push. And without knowing how much heat the exchanger can efficiently remove, I would make sure my tune was spot on if I planned on constantly running the boost required to make that 500chp. Spot on tune and some race fuel, maybe some meth injection, then who knows how much you can get. But for 91 octane, stock everything, tune-only, I am willing to bet a beer that 500chp is about all you want to see.
What about a 25-50 shot of nitrous in the intercooler? The little shot of nitrous will add a few hp and cool your charge tremendously. Knock at least another .25 - .50 off your time...
You could keep increasing the work on your turbo's but its probably not worth it, and your fuel system is probably not going to let you go any farther stock. I would think there is absolutely no way the factory allowed enough injector to increase power to say (150+) over stock.
What gear/rpm are you going through the traps? You might end up having a unwanted gear change? Maybe a few more revs is what the Dr. Ordered?
You could keep increasing the work on your turbo's but its probably not worth it, and your fuel system is probably not going to let you go any farther stock. I would think there is absolutely no way the factory allowed enough injector to increase power to say (150+) over stock.
What gear/rpm are you going through the traps? You might end up having a unwanted gear change? Maybe a few more revs is what the Dr. Ordered?
beefcake
New Member
it's getting close to the top of 4th, of course 5th is the 1-1 in this gear car
i thought about the 50 shot, but i like the power to be there all the time
i decided on a stage 3 snow kit, should hopefully be going on in the next week or 2
I though Honeywell made the turbos?
The TTV6 SHO is E85 friendly. Tables are already set up in the SCT software.
Can the waste gate actuator rod be adjusted? Maybe turn it in a couple of turns to give more resistance to opening at higher RPM? Does the pressure drop at higher RPMs?
What are the IAT values compared to ambient air when at high boost?
The TTV6 SHO is E85 friendly. Tables are already set up in the SCT software.
Can the waste gate actuator rod be adjusted? Maybe turn it in a couple of turns to give more resistance to opening at higher RPM? Does the pressure drop at higher RPMs?
What are the IAT values compared to ambient air when at high boost?
typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
1) Garrett is the aftermarket brand name for Honeywell turbos. Honeywell is the OEM turbo brand name.
2) I wouldn't automatically assume it's E85 friendly just because it has the table in it. All of the gaskets and engine componants have to be E85 friendly too or else the alcohol can deteriorate them. I'm not sure it is E85 firendly and as someone else mentioned, they talked to a SHO engineer/specialist from Ford at the conv. that said it was still in the works, but not availible yet. So maybe they just put the tune in there for future models that have the proper hardware to match
3) Yes, by nut and threaded rod. Good luck reaching the rear one though.
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beefcake
New Member
1) Garrett is the aftermarket brand name for Honeywell turbos. Honeywell is the OEM turbo brand name.
2) I wouldn't automatically assume it's E85 friendly just because it has the table in it. All of the gaskets and engine componants have to be E85 friendly too or else the alcohol can deteriorate them. I'm not sure it is E85 firendly and as someone else mentioned, they talked to a SHO engineer/specialist from Ford at the conv. that said it was still in the works, but not availible yet. So maybe they just put the tune in there for future models that have the proper hardware to match
3) Yes, by nut and threaded rod. Good luck reaching the rear one though.
i double checked, the only 6 we have that is e85 friendly right now is the 3.0 v6
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typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
I'm sorry, I don't understand your abbreviations. by 6, do you mean V6? and what is the 3.06?
beefcake
New Member
I'm sorry, I don't understand your abbreviations. by 6, do you mean V6? and what is the 3.06?
edited 3.0 v6
typhoon5000
Ferd Enganear
Ah, that makes a lot more sense LOL .
.It would not have an E85 table in it if it were not meant to be used. This is from Ford not SCT.
I would also say that because it has E85 tables the FIs and fuel pump are up to the task too.
Any engine made in 2010 I would say is designed for alcohol blends seals and gasket wise.
It is not designed to just fill it up and drive away. But with tuning it is there to be had.
I would also say that because it has E85 tables the FIs and fuel pump are up to the task too.
Any engine made in 2010 I would say is designed for alcohol blends seals and gasket wise.
It is not designed to just fill it up and drive away. But with tuning it is there to be had.
