Wrapping intake pipe << Numbers are in
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FiveLeeter918
Ortiz Performance Sales
yes, a 20* or more difference will net a difference (see my thoughts on chemical injection processes mentioned previously) but I don't see this wrap or even insulation reducing temps by that much, especially not over a 2' span of plastic ducting.
aaron240
SHO Member
What intake spacer? how thick was it supposed to be? I could model it and have it manufactured if that was something you were interested in Andrew.
Buy manifold gasket and here is your model, but the issue is the material, need to be thin, strong and extremely heat resistant to stop heat transfer from engine block to the manifold.
FiveLeeter918
Ortiz Performance Sales
there isn't a manifold gasket, the Ecoboost uses O-ring seals.
Great, LOL, I never had that out. How critical is the thickness of the gasket/spacer we trying to invent. If it's 1/4" think, will that effect anything?
If not and if I can find correct material, I can just take manifold off and cut one out by hand
If not and if I can find correct material, I can just take manifold off and cut one out by hand
I heard about this in this thread from EBPF.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4162.msg64841.html#msg64841
Gray Brick was recently last reported to be making this.....but has been silent for last few months.
If you can make this then you would be the man!
FiveLeeter918
Ortiz Performance Sales
Ok, as promised.
Test parameters:
Engine warmed up to full operating temp, trans was about there too, same driving route for both tests, ambient same at 48F
Driving: about 5 min drive city stop and go traffic, 5 min idle on parking lot and 5 min drive back same route.
Two logs below, 1 unwrapped pipes, 2 wrapped pipes.
PLEASE NOTE, I realized my K&N filter is crap and need AIRAID upgrade, AIRAID is on order, once I get it, tape it over with insulation and fix the gasket fitment I will run another test/log with wrapped pipes same route same routine same temps as possible and post it here.
About wrapping pipes, I did not want to spend lots of money on good material, just in-case this test not going to show good results.
Same time my insulation was very good enough to ether prove it write or wrong, first layer was 1/8" thick foam, and on top LOWES fiberglass 1/2" thick for protecting winter pipes with foil layer on top, all taped with metallic tape, this is not something you want to drive around all the time with, but I believe for the test it was good.
I already found better material and if first test shows promising results, I will share better more effective and all weather material.
So here are some pics and logs, grab a beer, get comfy and enjoy
Let me know what you think.
Thank you ALL!
UNWRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1blWE1pWOPJFulqR0d7ELPZ7_kHn9R2uB
WRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12T-MNeUYUbqrT1XSR2iKME-ggFPDF6Wf
Test parameters:
Engine warmed up to full operating temp, trans was about there too, same driving route for both tests, ambient same at 48F
Driving: about 5 min drive city stop and go traffic, 5 min idle on parking lot and 5 min drive back same route.
Two logs below, 1 unwrapped pipes, 2 wrapped pipes.
PLEASE NOTE, I realized my K&N filter is crap and need AIRAID upgrade, AIRAID is on order, once I get it, tape it over with insulation and fix the gasket fitment I will run another test/log with wrapped pipes same route same routine same temps as possible and post it here.
About wrapping pipes, I did not want to spend lots of money on good material, just in-case this test not going to show good results.
Same time my insulation was very good enough to ether prove it write or wrong, first layer was 1/8" thick foam, and on top LOWES fiberglass 1/2" thick for protecting winter pipes with foil layer on top, all taped with metallic tape, this is not something you want to drive around all the time with, but I believe for the test it was good.
I already found better material and if first test shows promising results, I will share better more effective and all weather material.
So here are some pics and logs, grab a beer, get comfy and enjoy
Let me know what you think.
Thank you ALL!
UNWRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1blWE1pWOPJFulqR0d7ELPZ7_kHn9R2uB
WRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12T-MNeUYUbqrT1XSR2iKME-ggFPDF6Wf
SO after digesting my logs I can see that average temp dropped by 10F.
Also I would like to point out how the intake temp went up like crazy at the 5 min idle, due to horrible intake design, to all with K&N Short RAM INTAKE, PLEASE CONSIDER UPGRADE OR JUST KEEP STOCK AIRBOX, it will outperform what K&N system.
So I do believe with the AIRAID intake I should be seeing 20F average temp drop.
AND my wrap was not as good as I was imagining. Stock pipes are horrible bend, shape and over all fitment, some places they are too close to other parts you can't just wrap that at all and just over all this was best possible scenario just to see if there is any benefit there at all. Also there are better material I going that has better insulation rating and looks allot better.
I will tell you what, with aftermarket hot pipes, way they are nice and round and good bends to them, results can be dramatically better.
I am rethinking this again, considering hot pipes and with Airaid, new wrap material I will bring 30-40F average temp drop guaranteed.
Any thoughts?
Also I would like to point out how the intake temp went up like crazy at the 5 min idle, due to horrible intake design, to all with K&N Short RAM INTAKE, PLEASE CONSIDER UPGRADE OR JUST KEEP STOCK AIRBOX, it will outperform what K&N system.
So I do believe with the AIRAID intake I should be seeing 20F average temp drop.
AND my wrap was not as good as I was imagining. Stock pipes are horrible bend, shape and over all fitment, some places they are too close to other parts you can't just wrap that at all and just over all this was best possible scenario just to see if there is any benefit there at all. Also there are better material I going that has better insulation rating and looks allot better.
I will tell you what, with aftermarket hot pipes, way they are nice and round and good bends to them, results can be dramatically better.
I am rethinking this again, considering hot pipes and with Airaid, new wrap material I will bring 30-40F average temp drop guaranteed.
Any thoughts?
Why are you concerned with temps at idle?
Could you compare temps at load/speeds that are prone to knock? Like WOT or highway cruise. That's where I think any of this would be a significant issue.
Thats when heat soak happens at stop and go traffic, you cooking at 120-140F and I want to hit it and it's all nasty 140F hitting engine, or you idling on drag strip waiting for your turn, by the time you ready to hit 1/4, you baking smoke, and you never cool down in your 12 sec run or you will by the time you crossing that 1/4 line
Waiting in the staging lanes sucks!!!! I always turn my car off as much as possible but still.
FiveLeeter918
Ortiz Performance Sales
Ok, as promised.
Test parameters:
Engine warmed up to full operating temp, trans was about there too, same driving route for both tests, ambient same at 48F
Driving: about 5 min drive city stop and go traffic, 5 min idle on parking lot and 5 min drive back same route.
Two logs below, 1 unwrapped pipes, 2 wrapped pipes.
PLEASE NOTE, I realized my K&N filter is crap and need AIRAID upgrade, AIRAID is on order, once I get it, tape it over with insulation and fix the gasket fitment I will run another test/log with wrapped pipes same route same routine same temps as possible and post it here.
About wrapping pipes, I did not want to spend lots of money on good material, just in-case this test not going to show good results.
Same time my insulation was very good enough to ether prove it write or wrong, first layer was 1/8" thick foam, and on top LOWES fiberglass 1/2" thick for protecting winter pipes with foil layer on top, all taped with metallic tape, this is not something you want to drive around all the time with, but I believe for the test it was good.
I already found better material and if first test shows promising results, I will share better more effective and all weather material.
So here are some pics and logs, grab a beer, get comfy and enjoy
Let me know what you think.
Thank you ALL!
UNWRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1blWE1pWOPJFulqR0d7ELPZ7_kHn9R2uB
WRAPPED: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12T-MNeUYUbqrT1XSR2iKME-ggFPDF6Wf
Still not really seeing any data to back your claims unfortunately. I don't see an apples to apples comparison, as the wrapped pipe scenario never saw more than 4 psi boost and never went over 37% throttle. In order for this to really make a difference, you need to test two scenarios.
1.) Regular stop and go traffic, cruising at speed and then hitting the throttle for a pull.
2.) Track replication with a 3-5 minute idle and then a full 0-110mph hit.
That's really the only times this could see ANY benefit, and I'm still seeing gains being pretty marginal. I really have no worries about IATs climbing in stop and go traffic, as you aren't in boost and are rarely needing any performance at those speeds.
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