Would you?

[nothingtoseehere]

The modability of a gen III is there, you just have to be a tinker type of person. Being the type of person that will buy what other people have designed/produced does not make you a tinker type person. It makes you a guy who will spend money on parts others have developed instead of doing it yourself. If you really want a car with a LOT of after market support, buy a Honda. You can make it faster cheaper.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

no you have to be a tinker type person with money. or a skill such as welding alum.

and lets not forget a place to work on it. or responcibilities of a family.

sure in a perfect world we can do all kinds of neat things to a car.

this is reality.
the gen 3 is NOT mod friendly. not without cash to build up the other parts of the car.

you cant pump up your motor to turn out 450 fwhp without expecting something to happen to the transmission. so in turn you need to drop 4-5 grand on a BUILT atx that may or may not hold up to the abuse you want to give it.


and what about supposrting mods, suspension, fuel ect ect ect..
that shit isnt free.


as for the honda comment, if i wanted a honda, id have bought a honda.


and before i get the i dont know anything talk. ive been moddin and racing cars (scca) for a very long time. the game is nothing new to me.

 

[JoesSHO]

What's this talk about not modding a Gen III? I can get Tireflys, lighted windshield sprayer nozzles, and NAWS stickers at Autozone for it right now!

I would never own (yes, that was a concrete statement) another Gen I or II over a Gen III at this point in time or the future.

the gen 3 is NOT mod friendly. not without cash to build up the other parts of the car.

you cant pump up your motor to turn out 450 fwhp without expecting something to happen to the transmission. so in turn you need to drop 4-5 grand on a BUILT atx that may or may not hold up to the abuse you want to give it. and what about supposrting mods, suspension, fuel ect ect ect..

that shit isnt free.

How exactly does that happen to a Gen I or II for free?

 

[nothingtoseehere]

Show me a V6 SHO with 450 FWHP that they did NOT have to dump money into the trans and suspension on. For some reason, people think they will get a V6 and be turbo'd or supercharged within a few months and everything will run fine and perfect.


Reality is any SHO is not Mod friendly by your standards. Add up the costs of a V6 SHO, now add in maintenance, suspension upgrades to support your 450WHP, built tranny, oh, and your FI motor costs, tuning........

It adds up quick.

The point I am trying to make is the SHO is not a racecar. Never has been, never will be. Enjoy the car for what it is. Yes, they can be made to go faster, I know, trust me, I have seen more than one and have driven more than one. But the mods for the V6 are not as plentiful as one might believe. Achieving 450WHP form the V6 SHO is not a nickel and dime bolt on mod car.

The Gen III can be mated to a manual tranny, is easier to tune and we have two successful supercharged cars now in the V8 world. There is plenty of information out there on the Gen III if you wanted to turbo one. It is more refined, classier and IMO, better looking than a Gen II. Gen I's I have a soft spot for.

What do I know though. I have only been involved in SHOs for close to ten years. My father has built many a race car too, put him in front of an SHO and he will scratch his head. Yes, it has a nice engine, decent power, but it is wrong wheel drive and heavy.

 

[Funmart6]

I believe the wording describing the SHO in the advertisements of the day was, "Executive Express". These cars were in fact designed to get you down the long road fast and comfortable, and they do just that, especially a GenIII.
:woohoo:

 

[kikkinasphalt]

450 hp was not a specific number.

im not an idiot, i know everything takes money. so lets go through this step by step as to why i feel the gen 3 is not friendly to modifications.

1) motor- should you break your engine, there are few used ones about. lets say you get lucky and land an NOS block. you then have to source the heads which are hard to find, and then the head bolts that are harder to find.

2) transmission, well the atx is shifty as it sits. and from what i read it dosent like more torque than it already has. so lets swap in a manual,
* one mazda 6 trans-check.. but wait, we need to beef this up a wee bit so it can take the abuse. oh darn, there are no drop in axles? well crap lets weld some together and "hope" they hold the power. or we could have some custom made. so the cost of the trans swap alone makes it unworthy.

3) OB2- ok so its tuner friendly, but not inspector friendly.

im sure i could farther, but im not trying to be combative here.

i know the SHO is NOT a race car. i never said i wanted to race it anywhere, i DO however would like to have more power from the car. i want more power (tim taylor even)
I LOVE my car. i really do. it makes me smile every time i drive it.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

not trying to call you an idiot. These questions come up all the time. The Gen III is just as good a platform as the V6. You ask this in the V8 section ... if we didn't like the V8, why would we get them? Get what I am trying to say? Axle's being custom made are not THAT expensive. especially to have an executive cruiser that is 1000x more comfortable as a daily driver.

If the V6 is going to be track only, and you have another daily driver ... sure ... if the v6 is going to be the beefed up bad boy and daily driver ... no sir

 

[kikkinasphalt]

not trying to call you an idiot. These questions come up all the time. The Gen III is just as good a platform as the V6. You ask this in the V8 section ... if we didn't like the V8, why would we get them? Get what I am trying to say? Axle's being custom made are not THAT expensive. especially to have an executive cruiser that is 1000x more comfortable as a daily driver.

If the V6 is going to be track only, and you have another daily driver ... sure ... if the v6 is going to be the beefed up bad boy and daily driver ... no sir

well im used to daily drivin a solo2 car..

but no if i start feeding it hp, it no longer is my daily.

 

[SHOZ123]

3) OB2- ok so its tuner friendly, but not inspector friendly.

After learning to tune the OBDII system it is one of the great things you can do to the G3. For the most part there is not much you can't do providing it is included in the data base. There is much room for improvement in the stock tuning.

I don't know what you mean by inspector friendly? Unless you mean without a tuner.

 

[Silvapain]

Paul, I think he means that emissions testing is more stringent for OBD-II cars; some states/counties have testing for 96 and newer, but no testing for anything older.

 

[SHOZ123]

Sorry, I need to get my aluminum helmet with antennas so I can better read minds over the interweb......

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Paul, I think he means that emissions testing is more stringent for OBD-II cars; some states/counties have testing for 96 and newer, but no testing for anything older.

this man speaks the truth.











alas im still not sure what i want to do or what i want out of my car, or his..
i washed the ol tub today, and it still puts a smile on my face.. i just wish it was more fun to drive.

 

[Funmart6]

Okay, here is an idea that may work to make the car more fun for you. Pull the fuse that controls the SARC struts and hit a twisty road, shift manually at times and be sure to have your windows halfway down and listen to the V8 sing to you, (radio off). If you haven't tried this already, you will be amazed at how the car will take corners as if it were on rails and it will lovingly beat you to death as it howls from under the hood and exhaust!!!
This car can be a blast!!!

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Okay, here is an idea that may work to make the car more fun for you. Pull the fuse that controls the SARC struts and hit a twisty road, shift manually at times and be sure to have your windows halfway down and listen to the V8 sing to you, (radio off). If you haven't tried this already, you will be amazed at how the car will take corners as if it were on rails and it will lovingly beat you to death as it howls from under the hood and exhaust!!!
This car can be a blast!!!

i havent yet, but i do take exit and onramps at double (sometimes tripple) the rec speed at times.

if i can find a way to make the transmission hold the power, i have no problem throwing a 125 shot at it.

but i knoq, ill miss the shifting till i get something that i can do it on my own.