What say ye'...

[gimpy]

old, wise and influential SHO peoples?

Oh the fence about where to go mod wise. Livernois not only has grade-A people, but monumental parts and customer care. ...chances are extremely high that I'll be a returning customer.

However, I'm a person who likes to try new things when given the opportunity. As far as 'package deals' go, Livernois has exactly what I'm looking for and intend to do. CAI, downpipes, 3 bar MAP, tuner,t-stat...done.

I've peeked around Unleashed, but noticed everything comes separately and haven't been able to dig up any kind of package offers.

I see lots of members posting about Torrie and his customer support, so that of course gets my attention as business or people who stand behind their work, makes the product that much better. Which is why I'm strongly in favor of Livernois...and J-me is a pretty cool guy.

Comparison wise, Livernois vs. Unleashed...pros/cons?

 

[2012korn]

You honestly can't go wrong with either one. The "package" prices aren't all that competitive if you take a little time and shop around.
If you just want to throw the parts in and go. I'd say lms.
If you want to be a little more involved in it all. Datalog and let Torrie work some magic.

 

[gimpy]

I've never dipped my feet into the pools of datalog, as I fear I'd mess something up...just trust me, I've made some pretty big blunders.

I am curious though, since its like Greek to me. Perhaps some google detective work is in order.

 

[2012korn]

You can't screw up anything by datalogging......if you can handle installing the parts and the tune. You can handle plugging a laptop into the car as well

 

[SHOdded]

IF you decide to go with an SCT X4, you can log with the device without the need to lug around an external recorder (ie laptop). Here are instructions:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6554.0.html

You would still need a PC or laptop for "admin" stuff tho: updating the device firmware, uploading configuration files for logging, downloading logs, etc. StealBlueSHO can definitely enlighten more on that.

Cool stuff, right?

 

[brucelinc]

I agree both are reputable and worthy of consideration. I will not criticize either but it is the data logging that has kept ME from going with Torrie. Based on the quarter mile results I see, his base tune must be very conservative and to get the good numbers, it is critical to datalog. The problem for me is not the technology but the logistics. The only place to legally provide the data that he seems to want is at the track. My closest tracks are 2 hours away. I am no angel and I have been known to break a traffic law now and then (in Mexico) but in my area with traffic, wildlife and LEOs, there is no way I am comfortable doing multiple simulated quarter mile runs on public roads. I value my driver's license too much for that and it is just additional wear/tear on the car.

I have chatted with guys who have had as many as 20 revisions before getting a tune that works really well for them. Sorry, but that strikes me more as trial and error than perfecting a tune. Please do not take this as a knock on Torrie or Unleashed. I have emailed him and gotten quick knowledgeable responses and I am not even a customer of his! Sadly, I cannot say the same for other tuners with whom I do business. Once perfected, Torrie's tunes are excellent - no doubt. However, I have found Livernois tunes to be exactly what I want right out of the tuner and, fortunately, I do not need much customer service.

Again, both are great but there are definitely differences to consider.

 

[2012korn]

That's funny. Torrie doesn't need back to back to back wot runs to datalog. One pull to about 110 is all he needs for a revision. So while the risk is always there to get in trouble. I find it hard to believe you can't find an empty country road. Heck a,hi way on ramp will work in the middle of the night if needed.
I prefer to datalog and get a tune specifically for my car....not a basic canned tune that is generic for every ecoboost.....

 

[sholxgt]

I went with the SCT device and put together my own package for several reasons...

- The MAP sensor is a Ford part and cheaper at the dealer
- The CAI is of limited/no benefit
- Their catted downpipes aren't cheap, but don't satisfy the cars ECU making them offroad use only (rear O2's get turned off with their tune)
- The MyCal device has you locked to them and only them. With an SCT you have the choice of several tuners as well as doing a dyno tune at a local facility
- The MyCal device is incapable of data logging which leaves you completely in the dark regarding your vehicles happiness

This is not to say that LMS is a bad choice. Their cars run good and their customers are happy.

 

[gimpy]

My own input on my own question...

Holy shit pistol is Torrie quick with getting back to possible customers. I sent Unleashed Tuning a message via-Facebook and I had a reply within minutes. This was also late last evening, which is a HUGE plus.

He currently has me interested with the SCT-X4 (I believe) as it can data-log using an Android.

This guy breaks the limits of reality with how fast he is to respond.

 

[jtreber]

You honestly can't go wrong with either one. The "package" prices aren't all that competitive if you take a little time and shop around.
If you just want to throw the parts in and go. I'd say lms.
If you want to be a little more involved in it all. Datalog and let Torrie work some magic.

....or a Livernois tune right on their dyno.

 

[2012korn]

^yes, that would have been an option IF I lived within 3 hours of them. But I don't, and I don't like generic canned tunes.

 

[joe raptor]

Torrie is the man ,I just became his new customer and the tune he sent me is very good , I only been driving in D mode, I haven't try the S mode yet !!. No need for it for now. Very happy

 

[brucelinc]

That's funny. Torrie doesn't need back to back to back wot runs to datalog. One pull to about 110 is all he needs for a revision. So while the risk is always there to get in trouble. I find it hard to believe you can't find an empty country road. Heck a,hi way on ramp will work in the middle of the night if needed.
I prefer to datalog and get a tune specifically for my car....not a basic canned tune that is generic for every ecoboost.....

Wasn't trying to be funny. I realize you don't need back to back to back wot runs. I also understand that one pull to about 110 is all that is needed for a revision. My concern is how many revisions are needed to get the car into the mid 12s or better in the quarter and also maintain excellent daily driver behavior. Likely depends on a number of factors but based on my dialog with Torrie as well as visiting with some of the guys who have his tunes, it can often take a good number of revisions.

I want to make it clear that I am not knocking Torrie or his process or any of his customers! I have had excellent email dialog with him.

 

[2012korn]

^Torrie will make changes until you are happy. Now you may be 100% happy with one or two updates. Or you may be like me and continue adding parts/switching to e20 mix and want to see how far you can go.
I understand you weren't knocking Torrie or his tunes. Just wanted the correct info posted. As you do make some valid points about the legality of how fast you need to go to get a good datalog.

 

[sholxgt]

I wasn't aware it could data log and store to a droid device. Either way, you don't really need anything to log with except the device itself.

If you aren't in a rush, SCT has a great looking device about to be released. I would hold out for the new one as it will be a touch screen.

 

[gimpy]

I wasn't aware it could data log and store to a droid device. Either way, you don't really need anything to log with except the device itself.

If you aren't in a rush, SCT has a great looking device about to be released. I would hold out for the new one as it will be a touch screen.

^has my attention^

Torrie gave me two options to data log and mentioned the blue-tooth won't support it.

Livewire SCT and the X4 are capable.

I'm a rookie with the SCT line, but this is what he informed me of.

 

[gimpy]

I wasn't aware it could data log and store to a droid device. Either way, you don't really need anything to log with except the device itself.

If you aren't in a rush, SCT has a great looking device about to be released. I would hold out for the new one as it will be a touch screen.

Not in rush at all as my car just turned 400 miles today. I'd prefer to clock up at least 1,ooo before I changed anything as it seems an OEM mistake would turn up in that time.

 

[SilverSH0]

I went with Unleashed for a couple reasons. First, both companies make great tunes and have excellent results. You can find countless posts of people arguing about which company is faster. Bottom line is they are so close that there is no definitive answer and driving is going to be a bigger factor than the tune. With them so close in speed, it broke down into two factors: how they would work with potential future mods and price. At the time I figured I would want meth eventually but didn't know if it would be an alky system or not. Livernois will only support their system so if I wanted a different meth system, it was out of the question. Then the price of Torrie's tune/tuner is cheaper than Livernois. In my eyes I see it as you cannot go wrong with either, they are both [arguably] the same speed, and one costs less. Both companies give free tune revisions if you add more parts later.

That's funny. Torrie doesn't need back to back to back wot runs to datalog. One pull to about 110 is all he needs for a revision. So while the risk is always there to get in trouble. I find it hard to believe you can't find an empty country road. Heck a,hi way on ramp will work in the middle of the night if needed.
I prefer to datalog and get a tune specifically for my car....not a basic canned tune that is generic for every ecoboost.....

You don't even have to go up to 110. I did my data logging with runs up to about 90 mph. I would head South on the interstate while it wasn't busy, exit on a country exit, stop at the start of the north bound on ramp, and data log up to around 90. While 90 is 20 mph over, get on the brakes and you're at 80 mph (speed of most traffic) quick.

After logging I would pull off the next exit (4 miles), email Torrie, head back the other direction, and usually by the time I got off the interstate again I had the next revision.

 

[gimpy]

Wait, what...

Torrie does free revisions is you add a part?

So if for example, I ordered a CAI, 3BAR, t-stat and an X4, I can data log for my initial tune, then later down the road add down-pipes and/or a catback and he will rework my tune accordingly without purchasing another tune file?

 

[sholxgt]

I have not heard of him charging for any revisions. That being said, he runs specials regularly for a tuner with multiple tunes. I got in on a deal with two tunes so I can hit him up later if I do something crazy later.