What are the Numbers??

[navcruiter]

OK,
Please go easy on me if this has been answered. If it has, I could not find it.

I have been reading a lot lately about all the different tunes from LMS, and to be honest, i'm about ready to pull the trigger and get one of them. I already know what the stock HP/TQ numbers are already. What I would like to know if anyone can tell me is...

What is the HP/TQ for a stage 2 and stage 2+ car?

What is the HP/TQ for a stage 4 and stage 4+ car?

and what issues could one expect from getting the tunes(transmission, PTU, etc) other than warranty issues from FoMoCo if they were to go digging and discover the car had been tuned at one point?

Also, I live in Northern Missouri, and access to any fuel more than 91-92 octane is severely limited. With any of these tunes, is 93 an absolute must? If so, are there any other tunes that anyone out there anyone could recommend knowing that the highest octane I have available close to me is 92?

The big reason i'm asking is ,
I am a Recruiter with the US Navy. The car I own is a 2010 Tuxedo Black SHO w/nav non PP with the 20" wheel option. One of the recuiters next door (with one of the OTHER services) has a 2010 Camaro SS. To be honest, I would like to be able to shut his mouth once and for all about which vehicle would eat the other for lunch.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[steve142857]

OK,
Please go easy on me if this has been answered. If it has, I could not find it.

I have been reading a lot lately about all the different tunes from LMS, and to be honest, i'm about ready to pull the trigger and get one of them. I already know what the stock HP/TQ numbers are already. What I would like to know if anyone can tell me is...

What is the HP/TQ for a stage 2 and stage 2+ car?

What is the HP/TQ for a stage 4 and stage 4+ car?

and what issues could one expect from getting the tunes(transmission, PTU, etc) other than warranty issues from FoMoCo if they were to go digging and discover the car had been tuned at one point?

Also, I live in Northern Missouri, and access to any fuel more than 91-92 octane is severely limited. With any of these tunes, is 93 an absolute must? If so, are there any other tunes that anyone out there anyone could recommend knowing that the highest octane I have available close to me is 92?

The big reason i'm asking is ,
I am a Recruiter with the US Navy. The car I own is a 2010 Tuxedo Black SHO w/nav non PP with the 20" wheel option. One of the recuiters next door (with one of the OTHER services) has a 2010 Camaro SS. To be honest, I would like to be able to shut his mouth once and for all about which vehicle would eat the other for lunch.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Hey! I have the exact same car and I understand your feeling/need to beat the **** out of him... and you will (as long as you are tuned and he is not). You won't be able to get more than stage 3 with LMS tune as the stage 4 or 4+ requires a minimum of 93... Otherwise there will be too much timing and the car will ping... which you don't want to do. Anyways, with stage 2, I dynoed my car (when nothing else had been added) and here were the results (copy paste from other thread) :
stock : 282whp and 300lbs tq
Livernois stage 3 : 301whp and 310lbs of tq
Livernois stage 4 : 311whp and 305lbs of tq

With the tunes, there was a big consistent spike (378 for stg 4 and 340 for stg 3) in the torque at around 2000rpm which was not there in the stock tune. Also the torque was holding longer over 300 lbs with the tunes (between 3000 and 5,500) as opposed to stock...

Air/fuel ratio was around 12 when tuned and 14.6 not tuned.

Runs were made in 4th gear.

So, if stock is 280whp on the dynapack, stage 3 made about 7% more hp than stock and stage 4 10% more. The guy was telling me that it made sense, since usually 1 psi gives more or less 10hp and with more timing... about 29whp more or 40hp at crank more with stage 4...

So, the big difference is not that much in peak horse power but more in the area covered under the power curve.

With just the stage 3, you should be able to run 0.4 seconds faster in the quarter mile.

Now compared to his Camaro SS... it all depends if auto or manual and if manual if he can drive... At least, you will be more consistent, you will grip all day and it should be a close match... You should bet on a 1/8 mile... he doesn0t stand a chance against your AWD.

Good luck and keep us posted,

Steve The number guy!

 

[navcruiter]

Thanks Steve,

I appreciate you taking the time to answer.

I have seen on LMS Page that they sell a couple different exhausts, and a CAI. I have read quite a bit about them both, but I've come to believe that the only major benefit I will see from a $1400 exhaust system is that I would get the sound that the vehicle probably should have come with in the first place. I'm guessing that FoMoCo probably did a pretty good job with the exhaust, and if what I spend on upgrades need to be targeted on performance, my money could be spent more wisely elsewhere. Also The CAI, again, I have heard good and bad on it as well. Any thoughts or personal experience with either before of after a tune?
Also, does anyone out there know anything about an upgraded brake system for these cars? The only thing I have seen so far seems a bit crude, costs about $3000 and I haven't heard anything about it in terms of performance, other than what the merchant said.
Thanks again for taking the time to answer
Troy

 

[steve142857]

Thanks Steve,

I appreciate you taking the time to answer.

I have seen on LMS Page that they sell a couple different exhausts, and a CAI. I have read quite a bit about them both, but I've come to believe that the only major benefit I will see from a $1400 exhaust system is that I would get the sound that the vehicle probably should have come with in the first place. I'm guessing that FoMoCo probably did a pretty good job with the exhaust, and if what I spend on upgrades need to be targeted on performance, my money could be spent more wisely elsewhere. Also The CAI, again, I have heard good and bad on it as well. Any thoughts or personal experience with either before of after a tune?
Also, does anyone out there know anything about an upgraded brake system for these cars? The only thing I have seen so far seems a bit crude, costs about $3000 and I haven't heard anything about it in terms of performance, other than what the merchant said.
Thanks again for taking the time to answer
Troy

Since, again, I live in Canada, I need to pay a lot of shipping, custom and brokerage fees to import parts from US. So, for me, the Corsa exhaust was coming closer to 2000$ installed. I eneded up having it done by a local mufflers specialist that deleted the third cat and resonator (less restriction), put an X-pipe instead, installed a 2.5'' stainelss steel tubing, Dynomax mufflers and 4.5'' tips. I believe that system is more performant than a Corsa, Magnaflow or Borla cat-back exhaust and it cost me 800$ installed!
As for the CAI Airaid, I am not sure if it adds any power, but we can definitely hear more the turbos and I think combined with the exhaust and the tune it contributes marginally to the overall performance.
As for brakes, 3000$ is way too expensive for what I want to spend on this car. It is true that the brakes are lacking, but I don't do races on a track besides the quarter mile.
So, for me, better pads (ceramic... SHONUT in this forum can offer you some at fair prices around 150$ per pair) and your can put ventilated rotors at about 250$ a pair... So, for about 1000$ you can have new rotors and ceramic pads front and rear installed and you will see a substantial improvement, really!
Finally, for sure, your best bang for the buck starts with the tune... Here is what I think every mods substract for the 1/4 mile :
Stock : 13.6 sec at 102mph
with LMS tune stage 3 92 octane : 13.2 sec at 105
with CAI airaid : 13.18 at 105
with cat-back exhaust : 13.05 at 106
with 3rd cat deleted exhaust and x-pipe : 13.00 at 107
H&R springs (lower car by 1.5'' = better strats and more aerodynamic) : 12.9 at 108
If you had 94 octane with LMS tune stage 4+ : 12.7 at 109

Make sure you have good tires as well, summer tires really help for 60 ft and overall performance over the Michelin. So, it all depensds on how much you want to spend to kick your friend's Camaro's ass, but there is definitelly potential in our SHO.

Enjoy!

Steve

 

[Billm0066]

Imo just get the tune and call it a day. Just a tune will cut .5 off the 1/4 mile. Cai will give almost no improvement, and exhaust might be worth another .1-.2 give or take. Just a tune will push your car in the low 13's.

 

[steve142857]

Imo just get the tune and call it a day. Just a tune will cut .5 off the 1/4 mile. Cai will give almost no improvement, and exhaust might be worth another .1-.2 give or take. Just a tune will push your car in the low 13's.

You're right, but if he wants to beat the Camaro SS, maybe he wants a bit more than that... especially that he cannot get the stage 4+ because limited to octane 92... Also, to have some noise improve the appreciation of the car imo.

 

[darreli]

Eh...Camaros arent really that quick..especially stock. If he has his modded you'll have to do the same. I've personally never lost to a Camaro (latest model)....but to answer your questions..I'm not sure about peak hp/tq numbers with the tune..but they definately improve power under the curve 90+ hp. I've never had anything on my car less than the most aggressive tune possible so I really cant compare the various stages of tunes. I've been running the Stage 4 for the past 21,000 miles and havent had an issue.

The Corsa is a great exhaust and a quality piece. It does add noticable sound to the car with no interior drone but dont expect much power. I say the same for CAI....dont really expect power gains...havent really seen any real world power out of either of those mods.

As far as brake upgrades..TCE is the only upgraded brake package I know of..its priced about the same as any other big brake upgrade and is really a quality package. FirstSHO has the fronts on his car and can hold the car to 3500 rpm at the lights and my car starts to roll thru the brakes at about 2500 rpm.

Good luck with the car! Get a tune from LMS..have them adjust it for 91-92 octane and a stock Camaro shouldn't be too much trouble.

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

As far as CAI -- One of the Livernois Flexers did a comparison at Lapeer this weekend.
Read about it on Ford Flex Net. Looks as if he did as well or better with stock CAI.

My Brick exhaust is a combo of NESHO's mid-pipe section & rear Magnaflows. Looking at my tuned times, the NESHO mid-pipe has definitely helped my 1/4 mi top speeds, with Torrie tuning for it's gains. He says it definitly improved the boost # at top end of RPM range.

Like Darreli, I have always run either Torrie's most aggressive tune, or Livernois' Stage 4 tune. Both are GREAT! Can't go wrong with either. If you can find a local station that has 92 from a dedicated hose, you will be fine. 93 from a shared hose can easily be 92 in your tank.

 

[steve142857]

92 from a dedicated hose, you will be fine. 93 from a shared hose can easily be 92 in your tank.

Unless the 92 is from a shared hose too! lol