Unbeliveable Clutch story

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Well...2 years ago I had to do a clutch change..just brought it to a local well reputable shop...looked into all the aftermarket high performance clutch packages...went with OEM...have never had a problen thus yet..75k..50k miles..done my share of burn outs and totally happy with the OEM....the cars were fast 10 years ago, but not anywhere near todays beasts...love the sight..just don't get why these cars are so followed..????...had it 5 years now...other than brakes, she's been good to me....!!!
 

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For what it's worth, here are a few random thoughts.

I bought a few of the Spec Stage 2 and 3 clutches in the group buy, and I think I have installed 2 Spec Stage 2, 2 Spec stage 3, 2 clutchmasters Stage 3, and about 10 stock clutches. Here are a few things to consider.

1) If you are using an aluminum flywheel, it needs to be resurfaced (blanchard grind) before you put it in. Brand new, they are not flat from the factory. I have seen this with SHOshop and Fidanza in EVERY one (about 5 so far). It is not a big deal to resurface before install, and it lets it break in much better. If you do not resurface, the flywheel wear surface has slight localized warpage, and it will cause the clutch to chatter and overheat. My personal opinion is it will never properly break in.

2) If you are using a Fidanza flywheel, the flywheel dowels are too long. They need to be ground down just a bit to let the pressure plate seat. If you don't grind down the dowel pins, the pressure plate is not mated to the flywheel and it will fail in short order. The easy way to check this (and I check it on ALL my installs now, is to dry fit test the pressure plate to the flywheel without a clutch disk. It should seat fully with no gaps. If it rides on the dowels, grind the dowel pins a bit. I thought this was just a Fidanza problem, but I have seen this with a SHOshop flywheel, and I have seen this with a Spec and a stock flywheel (I think the blue powdercoating can plug up the dowel holes??). In any case you need to dry fit the pressure plate to the flywheel or you are taking a chance. If you are worried about your install you did, you can pull the starter and try to put a feeler gauge between the flywheel and the pressure plate. Make sure you check all the way around the flywheel. You whould not be able to fit a feeler in between the pressure plate and the flywheel.

3) For some reason, the Spec TOB seems to fit loose on the quill sleave. EVERY Spec clutch I have installed has made a rattle with the car in neutral and the clutch out. As soon as you push the clutch in, the noise goes away. I have always blamed this on the TOB "rattling" on the quill sleave. Every Spec has done it, and although it sounds terrible, everyone has said it was ok. By the way, I got the same noise out of a ceramic SHOnut TOB with a Clutchmasters Stage 3. I live with this noise, but I wish it was not there.

4) Dantheman68's problem of the rivets hitting is a new one to me, although shomesomesho sounds like he had the same issue in a different thread. I wonder if the "too long" dowel pins would push the pressure plate far enough away to hit the bellhousing.

5) As for release point: the Spec seems to release really easy. As for release point, it seems similar on all cases to the stock clutches I have installed. If you follow the manual and block the clutch pedal, it seems to make the release point very high. I think this is actually correct, but most people are not used to a new clutch (compared to the worn out one that released at the floor). THere are ways to change the release point if it really is bothersome, but I just got used to the new location.


So is there a problem with Spec clutches in general? In Dantheman68 and shomesomesho's cases, it is a possibility. In the noise from the TOB, it seems common and may be an issue. Do we all show up with pitchforks and torches at Spec's doorstep? I don't think so. Dantheman68 might have a beef with Spec, and I hope they stand behind thier clutch and make right with him. Nkplus might have issues with the clutch too, but I have not been following his case as closely.

- Mike
 

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id look at engagement with that too... did you buy it in the same batch as I did? because if you remember there was a delay because the wrong part was sent out, and he had to go back to exchange them... im wondering if other people aren't seeing problems

{edit} and as far as updates on my situation, my uncle works every other week, and this thanksgiving week messed up the situation (since he only had 3 days to work) i have not recieved any new news on it, he is looking for a NEW flywheel, and obviously is having trouble, i just emailed him asking for updates/pictures, so ill let you guys know when i do.
 
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blue2ndgen said:
What about my case with slipping?

If the pressure plate is not totally seated to the flywheel, you do not get full clamp load. Pull the starter and see if you can fit a feeler gauge between the pressure plate and the flywheel. If so, your flywheel pins could be too long. Also, if you have an aluminum flywheel and you did not resurface it prior to use, it is not likely flat, and that will cause slippage and chatter.

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shopartsnw said:
If the pressure plate is not totally seated to the flywheel, you do not get full clamp load. Pull the starter and see if you can fit a feeler gauge between the pressure plate and the flywheel. If so, your flywheel pins could be too long. Also, if you have an aluminum flywheel and you did not resurface it prior to use, it is not likely flat, and that will cause slippage and chatter.

- Mike


yes do this first, i experienced no slipping... amazingly

i checked all that too, and it checked out fine, so i didnt see any problem... so dont completely rule out the fact that mine was defective or whatever we are determining happened with mine, but look at that first before deciding that there is a major problem, i also just emailed SUPERMATTYP about my situation and noted that some other people are experienceing problems, now wether they are related or not, IDK but i did let him know...
 
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I have my stock flywheel in there that has been resurfaced. Could it have been resurface wrong. Also how do I check if the there is a gap between my pp and fw, I had a shop do the work and am not ready to take that apart by myself.
 

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blue2ndgen said:
I have my stock flywheel in there that has been resurfaced. Could it have been resurface wrong. Also how do I check if the there is a gap between my pp and fw, I had a shop do the work and am not ready to take that apart by myself.

You remove the starter and it's right there to check.
 

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yeah, take off the starter... its like 3 bolts or two if you have my car... just be careful and make sure the battery is disconnected, if a shop did the work, id take it to them, tell them youre having problems, see if you can get them to do anything for free, first, then do your own work
 

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dantheman68 said:
yeah, take off the starter... its like 3 bolts or two if you have my car... just be careful and make sure the battery is disconnected, if a shop did the work, id take it to them, tell them youre having problems, see if you can get them to do anything for free, first, then do your own work
Ya mine is 2 bolts also, must have stripped or something. How much of a gap if any at all should there be between the fw and pp? Any news on your car yet?
 

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There should be NO gap between the pressure plate and the flywheel at the mounting locations.

- Mike
 

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Ya mine is 2 bolts also, must have stripped or something. How much of a gap if any at all should there be between the fw and pp? Any news on your car yet?

nope... none from Matty, and none from my uncle... my uncle has off this week though, so i wasnt expecting an immediate response...maybe ill call him today...
 

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I installed a SPEC stage 2+ clutch a while ago...the TOB failed in 2 weeks. Easy driving, not even broken in yet. The bearing split open and spewed crap all over everything. Sent it back to SPEC and they sent me a brand new one no problem...sold it on ebay to break even, and i'll be putting something else in instead. I'm NOT doing another clutch job in a month because another SPEC TOB fails...I know I know, but i'm not getting burned again, no matter what anyone says about SPEC and how great they are. Honestly I might just go back to the new NAPA clutch that is a stock replacement, i never had any issues with those. I burn them out a little quicker than most, but at least I know exactly how long they will last and that i've never had a defect problem with any of them.
 

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Buy the cermanic TOB from SHO NUT, or SHO Bros. It's well worth the $95.00 NOT to have to pull the trans again!:biggrin:
 

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FWIW, my personal exposure to SPEC clutches has been 2 for 2 misses, i.e., no evidence that they're a good supplier. They sent Nik a PP for the obsolete 9" GenI clutch system, which wouldn't even bolt to his flywheel.

I've been unimpressed so far. I'm glad I've gotten my clutch parts elsewhere (SHOnut, mostly).
 

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AREA 91 said:
Buy the cermanic TOB from SHO NUT, or SHO Bros. It's well worth the $95.00 NOT to have to pull the trans again!:biggrin:

yes, but to pay $400+ for a clutch kit, he should have a 1/2way decent TOB
 

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dantheman68 said:
yes, but to pay $400+ for a clutch kit, he should have a 1/2way decent TOB

Dan, I was in on this group buy, but then backed out because it was taking forever and i ordered my Spec Stage II from www.ultrarev.com . Everything i recieved from them was perfect. When i took my old clutch out which was a Spec Stage III pucked clutch, the TOB was soo loose and sloppy, i couldnt believe it. I put my new quill sleeve and the new spec tob and it was definately better but still seemed to have a little play.

During this process, i also installed a Fidanza Lightweight Flywheel. I took it to a local machine shop and had him re-surface it for me. I had to grind about a 1/16th or more of an inch off my dowel pins in order for it to seet (sp?) correctly. it definately seems as if Spec should take care of this. Definately let us know what the outcome is.
 

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I've got a question. It seems odd that the SHO has so many clutch problems.
Out of all the clutch problems how many of them have the fidenza flywheel?
Could the flywheel have a helping hand in this. I've got two fidenza's the last one from Ultra Rev which I had lightened, but since I went to the fidenza's I've gone through five clutches and looking for the sixth one.
I'm really interested in this thread as Spec has told me they would custom build me a clutch and pressure plate set-up. I've got a spec in now and it is not holding any better than the C.M. stage pressure plate did.
That is why I'm wondering if it could be the flywheels.
 

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I think many people have clutch problems with Aluminum flywheels. Both SHOshop and Fidanza do not surface the disk after installing the insert, and Fidanza definitely has dowels that are too long. Either one of these issues will cause your clutch to slip, and generate heat. Heat warps the flywheel and that causes slip. More heat, warp, slip, heat warp slip. You get the idea.

Even if both of these issues are corrected, some people are still having problems (like the TOB issue), and I am waiting to see the resolution for dantheman68, since his case seems like a different problem.

An aluminum flywheel can be successfully ran, but I personally would not run it with a supercharger or in a drag race application on a SHO.

Mike
 
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