Traction issues

[ridered74]

That's what I had thought, people must be stir crazy lol I'm from mahoning county originally...moved here for a job. They have a few drag strips and tracks kinda local. Have to add my down pipes and I will be done for a bit. Recently bought livernois goods and he said they are in the works of making an intercooler sounds the same as gearhead. I kind of would want a front mount but beggers can't be choosers!

The dreaded L word....that's the first I've heard of them developing an intercooler (or anything at all for that matter). If it comes to fruition I would be very wary. Gearhead has the only proven aftermarket intercooler out there currently. It is definitely worth the money. Not sure I would trust an lms one even if it was half the price.

 

[Brandon78]

The dreaded L word....that's the first I've heard of them developing an intercooler (or anything at all for that matter). If it comes to fruition I would be very wary. Gearhead has the only proven aftermarket intercooler out there currently. It is definitely worth the money. Not sure I would trust an lms one even if it was half the price.

Really how so? I just got the tune, 3 bar map, plugs, thermostat, spark plugs, cai and catless downpipe. I thought they were pretty reputable

 

[ridered74]

Really how so? I just got the tune, 3 bar map, plugs, thermostat, spark plugs, cai and catless downpipe. I thought they were pretty reputable

They used to be. If you search the forums you can find a lot of threads about them. I ran their tune in my 2011 for 3 years and had no issues. Once I upgraded to a 2015 it was a whole different story. Saw fuel pressure drop to 900 psi.

The lms tuned guys I ran into last year at various tracks were usually only a couple tenths faster than what a stock SHO would run. Only saw one break into 12's and that guy had downpipes and had to pull his spare tire out just to get a 12.99.

 

[Brandon78]

They used to be. If you search the forums you can find a lot of threads about them. I ran their tune in my 2011 for 3 years and had no issues. Once I upgraded to a 2015 it was a whole different story. Saw fuel pressure drop to 900 psi.

The lms tuned guys I ran into last year at various tracks were usually only a couple tenths faster than what a stock SHO would run. Only saw one break into 12's and that guy had downpipes and had to pull his spare tire out just to get a 12.99.

Dang I didn't realize, it was livernois,act, and gear head were some of the popular ones on paper it seems great. Guess I will have to get it on paper.

 

[ridered74]

Dang I didn't realize, it was livernois,act, and gear head were some of the popular ones on paper it seems great. Guess I will have to get it on paper.

I've tried most of the big ones, been running gearhead for the last year or so. The worst part of running lms is the inability of the device (at least the old device) to monitor things while you are driving. Maybe their new device allows that, I don't know for sure, but there are certain things I like to keep an eye on with my car.

 

[yaycandy]

With my tunes i never have traction. Even on a few sets of the best tires for the platform. On lms tune before i smoked engine, it would kick out on demand like advance trac was broken. 6 months on tigerpaw tires and the front had no tread and the rears at 3/32 or less.
On ajp tune when i do kick it out it just like shuts the motor down instead of just rippin the tires, like no power then wait a few seconds and it goes like normal. I guess its in his tune

Come to think of it, after reading some of the thread. I could reput...lol my livernois tune in, then plug in my sct to watch and compare and even datalog with the livernois tune and compare to my ajp tune to see if it actually has a fuel pressure drop. Or just wait till i get the hpfp eventually

 

[yaycandy]

They used to be. If you search the forums you can find a lot of threads about them. I ran their tune in my 2011 for 3 years and had no issues. Once I upgraded to a 2015 it was a whole different story. Saw fuel pressure drop to 900 psi.

The lms tuned guys I ran into last year at various tracks were usually only a couple tenths faster than what a stock SHO would run. Only saw one break into 12's and that guy had downpipes and had to pull his spare tire out just to get a 12.99.

Tunes have come a long way. Not standing up for lms really but they may still have the quickest 1/4mile and 60’ times...tune only compared to the others tune only with 93 octane. I cant test that though either as i scraped my original exhaust from turbos back long ago.

 

[bpd1151]

@Brandon78.....

Steer clear of Liver$h!t.

They've really tanked in performance and customer service over the years.

They're all about advertising and hype. Which the end user doesn't realize until it's to late.

Plus, the customer pays for all that misleading advertising via exorbitant pricing.

Most of their products are rebranded items which they pay the original developer for, by agreeing to purchase a large quantity up front, only for that developer to bless Liver$h!t to be "allowed" to stamp their logo on these items and call them "their own" or "exclusive". Which again, they try to use as a basis in justifying their outrageous pricing.

Watch their wording carefully. Things like "up to 'x' amount of hp, or up to 'x' amount of "tq" when most former customers have shown the end results are nowhere near the over inflated claims.

The owner's a smooth talker and is very good at smoke and mirrors. Often dismissive of known failures, and always quick to assess blame everywhere else other than acknowledging their own shortcomings. The fault, or faults never ever lie with them, and the claims of everything they do, or offer, are unequivocally always "the best" in their own minds.

I can't stress enough, avoid them at all costs. More failures have occurred recently and those owner's are out thousands and they couldn't care less.

If you love your SHO, look elsewhere. Any where else. Seriously.

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[yaycandy]

@Brandon78.....

Steer clear of Liver$h!t.

They've really tanked in performance and customer service over the years.

They're all about advertising and hype. Which the end user doesn't realize until it's to late.

Plus, the customer pays for all that misleading advertising via exorbitant pricing.

Most of their products are rebranded items which they pay the original developer for, by agreeing to purchase a large quantity up front, only for that developer to bless Liver$h!t to be "allowed" to stamp their logo on these items and call them "their own" or "exclusive". Which again, they try to use as a basis in justifying their outrageous pricing.

Watch their wording carefully. Things like "up to 'x' amount of hp, or up to 'x' amount of "tq" when most former customers have shown the end results are nowhere near the over inflated claims.

The owner's a smooth talker and is very good at smoke and mirrors. Often dismissive of known failures, and always quick to assess blame everywhere else other than acknowledging their own shortcomings. The fault, or faults never ever lie with them, and the claims of everything they do, or offer, are unequivocally always "the best" in their own minds.

I can't stress enough, avoid them at all costs. More failures have occurred recently and those owner's are out thousands and they could care less.

If you love your SHO, look elsewhere. Any where else. Seriously.

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I thought you and the owner were tight? So you dont even talk to them anymore?

 

[ridered74]

I thought you and the owner were tight? So you dont even talk to them anymore?

You must have missed the thread from about a year ago where they blew up bpd's car on their dyno then blamed him for it? It was a pretty lengthy thread.

 

[bpd1151]

Apparently you didn't read the thread on my own failure, did you yaycandy?

Cuz if you did, you wouldn't even be asking those questions.

Once I began posting on it, he turned quickly like a caged animal, lashing out as desperation set in, after I kept my mouth shut for 3 months, while compiling facts, data, pictures, etc. in order to document properly.

Real class act that person is (dripping with sarcasm).

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[yaycandy]

You must have missed the thread from about a year ago where they blew up bpd's car on their dyno then blamed him for it? It was a pretty lengthy thread.

I saw it, just figured all was made up(with you and owner). Guess not. Guy at work with me has a trackhawk, i showed him how quick livernois threw one down a track. He was all into it, then i guess he was reading on a forum somewhere about a few mopar complaints and never did get anything from them after reading them. And that was just the other month. Shady business i gusss

 

[yaycandy]

Apparently you didn't read the thread on my own failure, did you yaycandy?

Cuz if you did, you wouldn't even be asking those questions.

Once I began posting on it, he turned quickly like a caged animal, lashing out as desperation set in, after I kept my mouth shut for 3 months, while compiling facts, data, pictures, etc. in order to document properly.

Real class act that person is (dripping with sarcasm).

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Sorry bud, I was reading a little bit of it when it was hot but my life was real mess then. Was hard to be online as much as i wanted to. Anyway i think in the end, me running e85 with stock fuel system and internals is what blew my motor. As much as i want to blame livernois, im 99% sure it was my own stupid doing. In my thread the other year with all the what ifs, i thinks that what done it.

 

[SM105K]

I guess if responding to a smartass comment to a serious concern makes me an *******...I guess...geez I hope all ford guys aren't as soft as you

You have like 3 strikes against you just in this thread. There are posts all about LMS, traction issues, and known AWD issues. Do you have any idea how it works in our cars? It seems like you dont. You didnt take the time to search. Then Luigi makes a joke, you act like an *******. He even asked questions, you didn't respond. I call you out, and even ask more questions. You have yet to respond to those. Then you start rambling about LMS...lol.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Sorry bud, I was reading a little bit of it when it was hot but my life was real mess then. Was hard to be online as much as i wanted to. Anyway i think in the end, me running e85 with stock fuel system and internals is what blew my motor. As much as i want to blame livernois, im 99% sure it was my own stupid doing. In my thread the other year with all the what ifs, i thinks that what done it.

....... and yet...here you are...one motor toasted...and still running a pedal commander on top of a tune....and still feel like stating one of the most forward leaning members in our community was making up a story about LMS blowing up his motor that they built.... funny guy...

I’m thinking quarantine is starting to crack some nuts.... what was this guys alias before? Lol..

 

[yaycandy]

....... and yet...here you are...one motor toasted...and still running a pedal commander on top of a tune....yet feel like stating one of the most forward leaning members in our community was making up a story about LMS blowing up his motor that they built.... funny guy...

I’m thinking quarantine is starting to crack some nuts.... what was this guys alias before? Lol..

No ment that he and the owner made up. Not his story. Thats why i asked him if they even talked anymore

 

[StealBlueSho]

No ment that he and the owner made up. Not his story. Thats why i asked him if they even talked anymore

Why on earth (or potentially space since your stated profession is an aeronautic engineer) would you think that Mike and Dan had a very public falling out was made up?

I’m out... we have entered the twilight zone folks...

 

[yaycandy]

Eh, ive seen worse and people made up. Mistakes happen, i dont know any of them but figured they both let it go. I do know he missed carlisle last year as i go every year and i do have a few things with his car on it from the presale. I even have a hk media banner hanging in my garage with his car on it. Had it since before i joined the forum.

 

[ridered74]

....... and yet...here you are...one motor toasted...and still running a pedal commander on top of a tune....and still feel like stating one of the most forward leaning members in our community was making up a story about LMS blowing up his motor that they built.... funny guy...

I’m thinking quarantine is starting to crack some nuts.... what was this guys alias before? Lol..

Never thought I would be defending the guy that said his buddy ran 10's in a SHO and he had the video to prove it, then when called out about posting the video changed the story to he has the video but has nothing to prove and isn't going to post it, then changed his screen name so nobody would remember.....


But I believe the issue at least in this thread here is semantics. I think he meant that they had resolved their differences, not that the entire story was made up.

 

[bpd1151]

Alrighty then..... getting back on the entire point of this thread. Traction issues.

To the OP,

I'd start with inspecting your tires 1st. Tread life remaining. Type of tire and what it's ratings and/or rated use are.

It goes w/o saying that you'll achieve optimal results on dry pavement. Enough said on that.

Next up? Check suspension components. Especially if the SHO is used to you. Generally shocks/struts should be replaced every 50k or so. Better springs and/or shocks/struts in an aftermarket offering would prove beneficial in minimizing weight transfer. These cars experience quite a bit of lift on the front end because the weight transfers to the rear which squats and cause front tires to come up.

That said, also play with tire pressures. Raise them in the rear. Lower them in the front. This platform is not true AWD as one believes. Rather they are AWD when the cars electronics sense the need for it. 70% of the power is driven to the front axle. The remaining 30% dumps to the rear.

Change fluids. I can't stress this enough. Oil, trans, PTU and RDU.

Ummm what else? Oh, check out the aftermarket offerings as it pertains to motor/trans mounts.

Finally, if tuned, find out what parameters have been changed. Shift points. Torque management, etc. Discuss, discuss, discuss with you tuner. This is important. Explain any concerns and see if they can address. They'll likely (if they're good, and/or genuinely concerned) will suggest some of the very same things I have.

Perhaps others can chime in where I left off and provide some sound suggestions for 'ya.

If your AWD idiot lights aren't illuminating, it's a safe bet to say your actual systems are fine though. So not sure if that provides you some solace. But start with some, or all of the above, and go from there.

Good luck and enjoy!

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