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[RonPorter]

In his defense, you let out a critical fact. All the cars u have mentioned are MTX cars. ATX in an aplication such as a Taurus are much better for drag racing. Have you seen GTP times? I have seen GTPs put down 12.9s @ 105 etc. I have trapped as high as 103 but with a 14.0 sec run. No where 12s. 1/4 times are decided in the first 60'. I could see a SHO going 12s with a < 2.0 60'. BUt that's next to impossible in a MTX, not so wi th an auto.

No, ATXs in SHOs are NOT better for 1/4-mile times. A sub 2.0 60' wont get any SHO NEAR a 12. A high 13 would be good with a strong engine. With a perfect launch, and 103 trap speed could translate into a 13.6 or so with everything perfect.

For the average SHO driver, they can be more consistent with an ATX. When you start getting into true 12-second FWD or RWD cars, ATX or MTX doesn't matter. You need the tires & suspension mods to do it, plus a good clutch or TC setup to put the power down to get 60' times to at least the 1.5-ish range.

The GTP is also an eaton positive-displacement s/c. A centrifugal s/c is not gonna get an ATX SHO with street tires anywhere near the 12s. Cracking into the 13s with at least drag radials is doing pretty damn well. ATX SHOs running on juice seem to hit a "wall" at around 14-flat unless they get DRs.

 

[RJ-92]

No, ATXs in SHOs are NOT better for 1/4-mile times. A sub 2.0 60' wont get any SHO NEAR a 12. A high 13 would be good with a strong engine. With a perfect launch, and 103 trap speed could translate into a 13.6 or so with everything perfect.

Really? You couldn't be more wrong. Why is it that Tom W. in his ATX is running 13.3 -13.6 @ 103 when I am running 13.9 - 14.1 @ 103? What are all boosted SHO's (MTX) and all MTX SHOs for that matter pulling > 2.0 60' times? You thing putting roots blower on a MTX SHO is gunna make launching easier? ATXs are easier to launch, regardless of tire choise or driver experience. The ratio to which the ATX > MTX for drag racing increases as TQ increases. Why do you think all serious drag cars are running glides or at least TH400s? Cause the fluid displacement of a TQ converter > the clutch engagement of a manual.

Look at any high HP MTX's 60' times. They suck, I have seen Tom rip off sub 2.0 60' times in his ATX all night on nittoz. A full weight MTX won't do that any day, even on nittoz.

 

[RonPorter]

Really? You couldn't be more wrong. Why is it that Tom W. in his ATX is running 13.3 -13.6 @ 103 when I am running 13.9 - 14.1 @ 103? What are all boosted SHO's (MTX) and all MTX SHOs for that matter pulling > 2.0 60' times? You thing putting roots blower on a MTX SHO is gunna make launching easier? ATXs are easier to launch, regardless of tire choise or driver experience. The ratio to which the ATX > MTX for drag racing increases as TQ increases. Why do you think all serious drag cars are running glides or at least TH400s? Cause the fluid displacement of a TQ converter > the clutch engagement of a manual.

Look at any high HP MTX's 60' times. They suck, I have seen Tom rip off sub 2.0 60' times in his ATX all night on nittoz. A full weight MTX won't do that any day, even on nittoz.

Tommy has the Nitto DRs on that car, along with the healthy juice shot. Mark is also running sub 14s with his '89, and did the 12.9x on his '89 on juice and DRs.

Frankly, there is only "one" of a car & driver like Wallenhorst....name another ATX like that. Definitely NOT a typical example, Tom is a "class of 1" in that regard. Bunch of MTXs in the low 14s on street tires, and 13s on DRs (or slicks in Josh's case)

And there are a precious few handful of MTX drivers that can get the cars to launch hard and under 2.0. There are a lot of other factors there, also, like needing a healthy suspension setup, as well as sticky tires. These cars are getting old, and not everyone freshens up their suspensions as they should. There are not many MTX drivers who care to put in the practice and set up the car for hard launches. Back when I ran my MTX SHOs pretty regularly, I was in the 2.0x range on occasion, but not consistently there (consistent enough to be MTX runner-up at the '98 Covention, though).

I reiterate......the ATX is more consistent for most SHO drivers, but the MTX cars in similar tune run stronger.....when driven properly.

Serious drag cars with racing PGs have about ZERO in common with drag racing SHOs. Sure, a 600-700+WHP drag-only SHO (a really stupid concept, but play along) would do better with a full-race auto tranny, but that has nothing in common with the garden-variety street SHO. Over the years, it seems that you need at least 350 cubes to have the automatic model be the match of the manual model.

The SHO engines are too small, and the car too heavy, to lose the power through the ATX that they do.

PS: IIRC, Tommy was also the first to get a basically stock (with no chip) Gen 2 ATX into the 14s. 14.9xs.....but 14s nonetheless (I had the first stock Gen 3 into the 14s). The driving and mechanical skills matter a lot!!

 

[Ian Macoomb]

New results from this weekend at Lapeer:
RT 60' 594' 1/8 mph 1/4 mph
.575 2.253 9.151 9.717 79.42 14.846 94.60

I suppose that puts me in #3 for ATX's and makes us slow Gen 3's 1,2,3.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

I quite humbley remove myself from this thread since Ron did not witness any of my passes.

If you are claiming that pass happened at the convention in Indy, then you sir are a liar.

I have most every run on video. I just finished reviewing it. I did take a break from video taping to watch a bit of the auto-x event, so I did miss a bit.

From a quick review, the fastest time of the entire day (unless Im mistaken, I was only concentrated on watching the black gen 3's ) was Josh's boosted gen 2. He ran a mid-high 13.7 @ 104mph IIRC

Your black Gen 3 ran the following, many traps didnt register. If you remember, the area had been hit by a lightning storm the night before, and the electronics at the track were a bit... buggy.

14.52 @ NA RH lane
14.93 @ 95.68 LH lane
15.16 @ NA RH lane
15.08 @ NA RH lane
NA @ NA LH lane
15.01 @ 94.26 RH lane

Ive got these runs on video. And you are rying to say you ran a 12.9 @ 116mph the same day???

 

[SHOtime2511]

If you are claiming that pass happened at the convention in Indy, then you sir are a liar.

I have most every run on video. I just finished reviewing it. I did take a break from video taping to watch a bit of the auto-x event, so I did miss a bit.

From a quick review, the fastest time of the entire day (unless Im mistaken, I was only concentrated on watching the black gen 3's ) was Josh's boosted gen 2. He ran a mid-high 13.7 @ 104mph IIRC

Your black Gen 3 ran the following, many traps didnt register. If you remember, the area had been hit by a lightning storm the night before, and the electronics at the track were a bit... buggy.

14.52 @ NA RH lane
14.93 @ 95.68 LH lane
15.16 @ NA RH lane
15.08 @ NA RH lane
NA @ NA LH lane
15.01 @ 94.26 RH lane

Ive got these runs on video. And you are rying to say you ran a 12.9 @ 116mph the same day???

P3WNED!!!!!!!!

 

[dgarber]

I don't think I have my timeslips any longer, but my 95 MTX did a best of 14.66 @ 97.7 at Lapeer a few years ago. It had a K&N panel filter and a pair of generic turbo mufflers. There were plenty of people there however. Ron Porter, Ryan Dudek, Ryan Staley, etc.

Here is a link to my dragtime entry:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Taurus-Timeslip-1516.html


Dave Garber
Pittsburgh, PA
99 White, 98k
99 Silver, 83k

Former:
95 Green MTX
91 Red MTX
94 Blue MTX
97 White

 

[ArkanSHO]

If you are claiming that pass happened at the convention in Indy, then you sir are a liar.
I have most every run on video. I just finished reviewing it. I did take a break from video taping to watch a bit of the auto-x event, so I did miss a bit.
From a quick review, the fastest time of the entire day (unless Im mistaken, I was only concentrated on watching the black gen 3's ) was Josh's boosted gen 2. He ran a mid-high 13.7 @ 104mph IIRC
Your black Gen 3 ran the following, many traps didnt register. If you remember, the area had been hit by a lightning storm the night before, and the electronics at the track were a bit... buggy.
14.52 @ NA RH lane
14.93 @ 95.68 LH lane
15.16 @ NA RH lane
15.08 @ NA RH lane
NA @ NA LH lane
15.01 @ 94.26 RH lane
Ive got these runs on video. And you are rying to say you ran a 12.9 @ 116mph the same day???

Nope, I did not run the 12 sec time or speed. It was meant as a April Fools joke, though not as convincing or as bold as the one on the V8SHO site with ford addmitting guilt. The picture was actually sent to me by somebody who said the first run I did that day showed me at 12 MPH and a 40 second pass or something like that and he reveresed the numbers in some photo-editing program or something I assume. At first I though it was actually a real picture but I went through all the ones on the DRP site and could not find this one but thought it quite humorous and figured others would also. Sorry if it was taken to seriously, for the record I notified several people that I was doing this which is why you may not have seen a lot more BS flags flying.
Nope, only wish I was running that good in Indy! Was way to hot and I had transission issues keeping me from getting into third gear so I would hit the rev limiter at or just before the 1000' mark so the race was over for me there. You can see it in the videos where I am pulling away from people until that marker then it looks like I take my foot out of it and let them put more distance between us, catch up or even inexplicably pass me. Again, all meant in fun. Though my car is interesting it is by no means "fast" unfortunately. All SHOw and very little go, just a lot of noise.

 

[Ian Macoomb]

Carter did email me and tell me that he was pulling everybody's legs.

 

[RJ-92]

Mark's sub-3,000# '89 with a 3.2, juice, a Quaife, and nttos ran a 12.9x. I don't believe that Josh has hit anything better with his 450+ WHP Quaife car.

BTW, I believe Mark's 12.9 run was on hoosier quick time pros which he then sold to Josh then Josh ran a 12.9 as well on them. So if anyone can get their hands on these Majic tires you too can run 12's!

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Sorry if it was taken to seriously, for the record I notified several people that I was doing this which is why you may not have seen a lot more BS flags flying.

Do understand.... that your boosted Gen 3 is somewhat of a "mysterious" animal of a car. Many folks, that have not had the chance to see it in action, or even know much about Gen 3's honestly dont even know what to think about such a claim.

Nope, only wish I was running that good in Indy! Was way to hot and I had transission issues keeping me from getting into third gear so I would hit the rev limiter at or just before the 1000' mark so the race was over for me there.

I do remember that. And I thought I heard someone mention that you were having tranny problems. Unfortunate, because I was very anxious to see it in action, even if the temps and humidity were HIIRRIBLE :cuss:

 

[somedude_001]

will there be a seprate catagory for boost ATX cars? or will that roll over because of the low amount of boosted cars?

 

[SHODWN]

I never seen my

13.8 at lapeer with my Gen 3 on that list
or
14.5 at indy this year in the 98 degree heat. with my 95 that won the MTX championship award.

 

[Hack]

Any additional details Kirk? Trap speed, brief mod lists, etc?

 

[BenBrausen]

Too bad the slip went with the rest of the paperwork when I sold it. My old '93 ATX ran a 14.98 totally stock (time slip from the previous owner).

 

[Huntervf]

On a semi-serious note... I've noticed a few of the top times coming from Lapeer dragway in MI. It's been my experience that, for whatever reason, cars run a good .2 or so quicker than other tracks in the area. I've lost count of the people I've talked with that ran their best times at Lapeer.

Could be that since it's a less used track it just holds power better. Or it could be the track is a little shorter. Not saying the times aren't valid, just that I've talked with a LOT of people who've had their best passes at Lapeer (which is why I need to get up there and run )

 

[Ian Macoomb]

I've run 14.8's at my local track too so it's not like Lapeer is downhill or a short track.

I think it's probably because of the fact that Ron Porter has been hosting SHO events there for the past few years and the the fact that it's usually in the spring and fall when it's cool. A few of the people that usually go only run their cars at events like that.

 

[RonPorter]

On a semi-serious note... I've noticed a few of the top times coming from Lapeer dragway in MI. It's been my experience that, for whatever reason, cars run a good .2 or so quicker than other tracks in the area. I've lost count of the people I've talked with that ran their best times at Lapeer.

Could be that since it's a less used track it just holds power better. Or it could be the track is a little shorter. Not saying the times aren't valid, just that I've talked with a LOT of people who've had their best passes at Lapeer (which is why I need to get up there and run )

Three issues, and not necessarily in order of importance.

They resurfaced the track in '99. When we started going there in '00, the surface was WAY better than Milan, and traction is still good.

When you run there, you get a LOT of runs. Runs mean experience, and many people don't realize how much that matters. You may have 1 or 2 good runs out of 20, but you don't talk about the bad ones. Getting 3 runs in 4 hours at other tracks (like Milan) doesn't help you, and gets old fast.

Another issue is that we only run (purposely) in early Spring and late Fall when the temps are good.

 

[K-Dawg]

I'm the left lane (Arrigo Dodge lane).

14.789 @ 95.38 mph

My only mod is a catted y-pipe. Otherwise completely stock including the cone silencer and paper air filter.

 

[RonPorter]

Very Good!!

Over the last ten years, despite the claims of folks that the "Gen 1s are lighter, and therefore quicker", there have been a number of bone-stock gen 2 MTXs that have run in the 14.6x - 14.7xrange, which has never been done with the lighter gen 1s.

There were a few minor engine changes by Ford in the Gen 2 3.0 engines, relating to the intakes and PCMs, which seem to have made them a bit quicker.