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Eric VerValin

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Well check this out.. just got back inside a minuite ago. With the wheels off, I dont hear it. Blocked each side with a screwdriver, and didnt hear it. Did it with both free, and didnt hear it. Now when I put the wheels on .. I hear it again. ?! I'm baffled now. Someone tell me this is something petty.


Edit: Took it for a drive.. didnt hear it at all, until I got on it hard then i heard it like before. is my rotor getting outta whack or something? I'm really lost. Sounds like something's "out-of-round".
 
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Eric,
It's sounding more like a half-shaft problem. The only thing changed by removing the tires, is the mass of the tire/rim assembly (~40-to-48 pounds per side) and the rotational torque it places on the entire drivetrain while the wheels are off the ground. With the tires off, you're simply spinning the half-shaft, hubs, and rotors.

Those items that can fail starting with the half-shaft include:

  • mid-shaft bearing
  • right/left inner CV joint bearings
  • right/left outer CV joint bearings
  • right/left ABS Tone Rings
  • right/left inner or outer wheel bearings

mid-shaft bearing - I don't know how common this is (I recall seeing only one post here in the last several years), but it is a relatively small bearing that stabilizes the inner-end of the right half-shaft. The person posting this was within the last month/month-and-a-half. Do a search and contact them about the symptoms/noises they noted.

right/left inner CV joint bearings - can produce loud clicking-type noises as they begin to fail.

right/left outer CV joint bearings - can produce loud clicking-type noises as they begin to fail.

First, look for CV joint grease that has been spewed outward from a cut, crack, split in the CV joint boot. The right inner CV joint typically flings the grease into the aft right motor mount, onto the right cat, and right backside of the oil pan. The left inner CV joint typically flings grease onto the back of the tranny case. As for the outer CV joints, your most likely to find CV joint grease on the spindle/knuckle.

Both the inner and outer CV joints can be further checked by pulling the wheel hub out and away from the outer CV joint (after removing the tie rod end and prying the lower control arm out of the bottom of the knuckle). Briskly shove the outer CV joint in toward the tranny. If either CV joint is 'dry' from loss of CV joint grease, you will hear a metalic 'clack' as the bare metal meets - versus a subdued thud. If there is excessive bearing-wear, you may be able to feel this by rotating the half-shaft with your hand. Also look for blueing of either end of the half-shaft, indicating excessive heat build-up due to loss of CV joint grease.

right/left ABS Tone Rings - could produce loud clicking-type noises if the ring breaks and starts striking the ABS sensor as rotational velocity increases. There is maybe a 1mm gap between the sensor and tone ring, so very little deflection is required for this to happen.

right/left inner or outer wheel bearings - most likely to produce grinding-type noises, but can produce loud clicking-type noises as they begin to fail. I know you recently changed them, but don't rule them out without checking both.


Some other "left-field" things to check are:

  • right/left caliper brackets and slider pins
  • right/left warped rotors
  • right/left wheel balance
If the caliper bracket slider pins are bent (from rust-seizure of one pin) it can **** the caliper bracket such that it will ride against the rotor (or periodically strike the rotor if the rotor is warped or the tire is out-of-balance and causing wheel vibration).
 

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Ok... lol whew.. all that being said... I can tell you this...

I origionally thought it was the brakes in the front, but its not. I replaced all slider pins, new pads, and new rotors. I did have an ABS ring on before, but it was broke, and I bought another, and tapped it on. Granted its not on perfect, and it probally is a little crooked, but I never thought of it torquing that way enough to hit the sensor. I think I'll pull that and see if there is any wear.

But.. its not crooked "that direction" so I don't see how that would make a difference. If the outer CV was shot, that I can see if it can pivot there like I would imagine it would. The halfshafts are origional, therefore I think I'm just going to order one, and see what happens. I miss my SHO. :( Have I said that latley... Guess I'll just throw more money at it like I was going to.. this just wasn't the order I had in mind.. lol


Edit: I don't have my big peice of pipe to pry the LCA down, but even with it in place I get that 'clack' your talking about, when I shove it inwards. Guess I'll order a CV axle tonight. :) See what happens.
 
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Didn't that salvage yard SHO you pulled the radio and subwoofer out of, still have half-shafts? I think I would throw-in a set of used ones, before spending the money on remanufactured ones.
 

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i've got a set also
the passenger side one needs the new boot installed, however (i'll toss it in if you want to get them from me)
 

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Well, shipping would be a bit for em wouldnt it? I think they are 60 bux a peice, so $120 isn't too bad I guess. If the ones you have don't have a lot of miles on them I might be interested. I suppose they should last about 200k before they are shot it seems. :)


I checked the sensor too, it wasn't rubbing, and the J/Y sho's i've found are all Auto's. or I'd have another 5 speed sitting in the garage now.. lol
 

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If Eric doesn't take the axles, I will. I have the boot kits.

Also, do you still need the two clutch fork bushings? I have new ones but was out-of-state when you posted in the WTB section.

i've got a set also
the passenger side one needs the new boot installed, however (i'll toss it in if you want to get them from me)
 

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Advanced Auto has free shipping on internet orders over $50 - but I wasn't too pleased with the CarDone remans I received. They have a lifetime warranty and will need to be replaced in the next year (or so I foresee :evilgrin:). And if you have Advanced in FW, you can return the cores to a local store to save the return shipping cost. Chuck (SHO-n-Go) said he used Napa remans when he had his highly modded SHO.


Well, shipping would be a bit for em wouldnt it? I think they are 60 bux a peice, so $120 isn't too bad I guess. If the ones you have don't have a lot of miles on them I might be interested. I suppose they should last about 200k before they are shot it seems. :)


I checked the sensor too, it wasn't rubbing, and the J/Y sho's i've found are all Auto's. or I'd have another 5 speed sitting in the garage now.. lol
 

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I'll let ya know here probally this weekend. Getting started on some side work this weekend too wiring up a historic home, so I know that will take a bit of my time. Anyway, I'll keep ya updated. And Storm.. pm me your cell # again, I lost my other cordless phone with all those numbers on it.. :) Your's was on that phone.. :)


Think I left it under the hood of the truck the other day when I was tinkering around with it.
 
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