SHO vs. GT-R

[EcoBrick Bob]

NOW I KNOW WHO STOLE OUR DOG!

Calling 911.... LOL

 

[FLIP-4-SHO]

That's a DOG?

 

[SHOrod]

Looks like a hyena to me. That would also explain the "lol'd".

-Rod

 

[Showgun]

Heads up! I just purchased an entire GT-R drive train from a roll-over... Having it fitted to my Brick as we speak. NO more shutdown issues... Figuring it should be a mid-11 rocket!

Gooooooo Bob --

 

[shaker281]

But when you line next to me with your Shelby or GT500 at a red light, sorry, you are no match. I can reach speed limit, put my flasher pass in front of you and put my flasher again to turn on the next street... Time after time, driver after driver. With street tires, they have too much power and their 0-60 doesn't give justice to their powerful engine... Too much car for the wheels as they say. With 0-60 of 4 seconds or less, many of us Gen4 owners with a few mild mods are capable of making owners of sport cars sweat! And it is a lot of fun. All within speed limits... for real ; )

I own both and that is 540 horsepower to the wheels on DRs. I've already raced a tuned SHO and it wasn't even close. It took a 1/2 car on the jump and before 30 MPH it was in the rear view. AWD and 300 wheel horsepower simply cannot overcome that sort of advantage. Now a GT-R on the other hand has AWD, massive power and doesn't weigh 5000 lbs...

 

[SeanMc]

GTR requires no skill to drive. All you do is mash gas, and steer, the nannies do the rest. That being said, those nannies have made the GTR a killing machine.

Oh, and I didn't think street race stories were allowed on the forum.

But for the OP: #coolstarrybra

 

[steve142857]

I own both and that is 540 horsepower to the wheels on DRs. I've already raced a tuned SHO and it wasn't even close. It took a 1/2 car on the jump and before 30 MPH it was in the rear view. AWD and 300 wheel horsepower simply cannot overcome that sort of advantage. Now a GT-R on the other hand has AWD, massive power and doesn't weigh 5000 lbs...

As I said, many of GT500 owners don't have DR, but street tires. So, with street tires, I have raced a few times and it is always the same issue : they reached me once I am at 70mph, but before, I am ahead... BTW, unless tuned like yours, they don't have 540 rwhp, that is to the engine and they were 500hp to the engine I believe in 2005-07. At the wheels, it is more around 430-465hp for older/recent models or (which is still very powerful). SHO are very heavy, but not 5000lbs... try 4,350lbs. And my car makes more than 340hp to the wheels. The full torque is available from launch until the end, not the case with the GT500 500hp at 6K and 480lbs at 4500rpm. 2007 edition had a curb weight of 4,130 lbs. So, from my experience, I know the guys were racing and I know my tuned SHO vs non-tuned GT500 on STREET tires is no match... for the GT500 on the launch for at least 200-300 ft. enough to pass in front of them every time. After all, if my car is capable of 12.6 at 109-111mph and stock GT500 are 12-12.6 at 115-1120mph, I must have a good start to be that close at the end and lack that much speed compare to them...
Cheers!
P.S. But your car on DR with pulley and tune is a different story.

 

[GLADIATOR]

GTR requires no skill to drive. All you do is mash gas, and steer, the nannies do the rest. That being said, those nannies have made the GTR a killing machine.

Oh, and I didn't think street race stories were allowed on the forum.

But for the OP: #coolstarrybra

I saw show on speed tv where "geeks", that were good at a driving video game, were given the chance to drive GT-R. Alot of them were ******** there pants and could not drive the car. It's a serious machine and not just anyone can mash the gas and handle the power.

Not a street race....highly spirited jaunt (pc) and I am a rebel

 

[EcoBrick Bob]

DR's really make a difference... I raced a modded- supercharged Mustang last winter at Bradenton and had him at the 1/8 mi... but then he ended up in the 11's at over 120 mph! Thinking that's about when his tires finally hooked up! LOL

 

[steve142857]

DR's really make a difference... I raced a modded- supercharged Mustang last winter at Bradenton and had him at the 1/8 mi... but then he ended up in the 11's at over 120 mph! Thinking that's about when his tires finally hooked up! LOL

That is my only point... Those car are more powerful as mph trap speed indicates (120 vs 110mph is a huge difference in power). But sometimes too much car for the tires leads to poor launches... They need DR. Finally, GT500 are certainly more fun to drive being RWD, so they feel faster just to start with.

 

[steve142857]

Here is an interesting article from Motortrend confirming my point : GT500 is the slowest 500+hp car... but still fast. It cannot grip for launch, so it is no match for 0-60 or 1/4 mile against its rivals (similar power). In that article, they mention that their 2011 GT500 «benefited from an SVT Performance Package that adds a sportier 3.73 rear end, stiffer springs, and Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G: 2 tires, all in the name of improved lap times for the live-axle, 3801-pound pony car. Total cost for this mightiest of Mustangs? A basement $55,330»
Even with that they managed a best 0-60 of 4.1 seconds and a 1/4 mile of 12.4 at 115.8.
So, a tuned SHO (LMS stage 4+) with exhaust, CAI and lower suspension soing 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and 1/4 of 12.4-12.6 at 110mph+ has to be faster at a red light... PERIOD.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...gt500_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html

In comparison, my car does 0-60 in 4 flat, but 0-100 in 10.5.
The GT500 4.1, but 0-100 in 9.2! There is the power!

 

[yamahaSHO]

Too much power for the tires??? What's that like?

It's no secret, AWD is very good at launching. When my STi was just an OTS stage 2 (turbo-back exhaust + generic Cobb flash), I didn't run into many cars that could get me at our local 1/8 mile track with original completely worn tires.

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[shaker281]

Here is an interesting article from Motortrend confirming my point : GT500 is the slowest 500+hp car... but still fast. It cannot grip for launch, so it is no match for 0-60 or 1/4 mile against its rivals (similar power). In that article, they mention that their 2011 GT500 «benefited from an SVT Performance Package that adds a sportier 3.73 rear end, stiffer springs, and Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G: 2 tires, all in the name of improved lap times for the live-axle, 3801-pound pony car. Total cost for this mightiest of Mustangs? A basement $55,330»
Even with that they managed a best 0-60 of 4.1 seconds and a 1/4 mile of 12.4 at 115.8.
So, a tuned SHO (LMS stage 4+) with exhaust, CAI and lower suspension soing 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and 1/4 of 12.4-12.6 at 110mph+ has to be faster at a red light... PERIOD.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...gt500_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html

In comparison, my car does 0-60 in 4 flat, but 0-100 in 10.5.
The GT500 4.1, but 0-100 in 9.2! There is the power!

Your car seems very impressive. Great times. AWD definitely is a killer app! And I think the SHO is a very cool car or I would not have bought one. Yes, if you run into a bad GT500 driver on a cool day with street tires, he will liquify his tires.

But, consider this: if a GT500 on GY street tires turns a 4.1 to 60, what do you suppose happens by simply adding DRs? Now give it another 140 hp/tq via tune/cai/pulley. Were talking low to mid 3's here. By comparing your modded AWD car with a severely traction hampered stock magazine car you are getting a misleading impression. And while AWD helps a lot, a 500 lb and 200 horsepower (tuned vs. tuned) disadvantage is a lot to overcome.

A 1/10 of a second at 60 MPH is only 8.8 ft. Assuming equal reaction time, no way you are pulling in front of even a traction challenged GT500 in a stop light race given equal drivers. I'd check my mirror before attempting that lane change!:thankyou:

As you know on the 1/4 mile times quoted, those are with stock rubber (magazine testing), which is ridiculous for a car that develops almost full torque by 2000 RPM. Virtually every GT500 I have run across has widened rear wheels to 11" and the stickiest tires that are available. That alone makes it an 11 second car, otherwise stock. Cars with the same set up as mine go mid 10's in the 1/4. Mine develops rear wheel 460 lb. ft. @ 2000 RPM SAE on a Dynojet. It weighed 3820 with a 1/4 tank of gas. An aluminum driveshaft, lighter wheels, KR mufflers and BMR suspension knock at least 75 lbs off of that number. For the 2011 model knock off 120 lbs due to the addition of an aluminum block.

BTW, that article you quoted compares a $98K Z06 which weighs 550 lbs less and has rear tires 3 sizes wider than the Shelby and a $91K AWD GT-R. Despite that, the GT500 hung in there. A better set of tires is all it would've taken to even out those odds.

Anyhow, not to be argumentative, but we are all muscle car enthusiasts and as such proud of our rides. Magazine articles do not do the GT500 justice.

 

[shaker281]

I saw show on speed tv where "geeks", that were good at a driving video game, were given the chance to drive GT-R. Alot of them were ******** there pants and could not drive the car. It's a serious machine and not just anyone can mash the gas and handle the power.

Not a street race....highly spirited jaunt (pc) and I am a rebel

True, especially on a road course. But, in a drag race, AWD and a semi-auto trans will make up for a severe lack of skill. I can tell you from experience that even with DRs, you do not just "mash the gas" in a GT500! I have gone sideways rolling into the gas in 3rd gear at 60 MPH during cooler temps.