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hey everyone.ive been doing a lot of research on rod bearings and decided its probably a good idea to change them out.Im still debating whether to change them out myself or take it to a mechanic. I talked to a few mechanics i know and they didnt offer much help. they both refused to do the job. one of them i talked to said doing the rod bearings was like opening a can of worms. I asked him what he was talking about, he said that once you change the bearings out it can show more problems that wernt there before??Anyone know what hes talking about. As long as the bearings arnt knocking there shouldnt be anything wrong with the crank right. As i said, im still debating the job
 

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Changing them out is a good idea, I'm ****** that I changed mine too late.

Where in CT are you located?

If you're close to newington you could bring the car to my house and I'd help you out. Just throw me a little cash only because it will take 4-6 hours to do.

Ive also got a kit sitting at my house you could have for 70$ I got from RCM for 70$ shipped.
 

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Dr_Thompson said:
hey everyone.ive been doing a lot of research on rod bearings and decided its probably a good idea to change them out.Im still debating whether to change them out myself or take it to a mechanic. I talked to a few mechanics i know and they didnt offer much help. they both refused to do the job. one of them i talked to said doing the rod bearings was like opening a can of worms. I asked him what he was talking about, he said that once you change the bearings out it can show more problems that wernt there before??Anyone know what hes talking about. As long as the bearings arnt knocking there shouldnt be anything wrong with the crank right. As i said, im still debating the job
Most mechanics aren't going to take time being careful and considerate while replacing rod bearings in an installed motor. When the motor is upside down on a stand it's faster going and I assume it's easier to work quickly yet considerately.

If you do them yourself you are going to go slow, use common sense and courtesy of your parts, and heed the pearls of wisdom offered here and elsewhere on the task. Harder to screw things up than to do the job right when taking that approach. A high volume mechanic doesn't have that luxury.

Here's one example of where a mechanic "opens up a can of worms" when doing this job: Oil pan leak after putting it all back together. Cause: RTV should cure 24 hours without exposure to oil and preferably with warmer temperatures and good humidity (not dry, cold air). Mechanic wants to bolt it up, fill it up with oil, and get it the **** out of his way. The RTV silicone gets no time to properly cure, the inner portion of the bead stays gummy due to it's premature exposure to oil, and the oil pan starts leaking a short time later. What mechanic isn't going to make this mistake? They all are going to want to get that car out of their working bay and they could give a rat's ass if the pan doesn't freeze outside while the RTV should be curing in a warmer clime.

Now, there's no reason every home mechanic can't avoid this one: Instead of filling your motor up with oil the minute you finish bolting up the oil pan you put your bottles of new oil on your car seat (so you don't forget to fill before you start). If it's not summer then you rig a light bulb under the oil pan to gently warm it for 24 hours while the RTV cures. Some cardboard taped to the sides of the oil pan can help trap warmth from the lightbulb if it's really cold outside. Shoot, mist outside of the oilpan with water or place a humidifier alongside the lightbulb if it's really dry out. Even a pan of warm water if nothing else. Don't worry about the moisture conditions inside the motor. There'll be enough lingering as combustion byproduct from last time the motor ran.

Yes, as long as the motor is smooth sounding the crank is fine, but as those bearings wear the odds become less and less in your favor. It takes oil in better shape and more of it to keep the crank off the bearings. 20 years ago bearings only got replaced during a full motor overhaul because most cars were hard pressed to make it past 100,000 miles. A SHO motor can go 3, 4 or more times that far and remain healthy if maintenance is adhered to regarding the "soft" parts. Rod bearings are indeed soft parts. You can scratch them with your fingernail. They are cheap and easy to replace. It just takes time and care.
 

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I agree to just do them. The worst part is getting the Y-pipe off. I have done 7 or 8 cars now. A few my own and a few not. In all of them, I have done it in my shop which of course is warm. And in all honesty I have bolted it back together and filled it with oil, started it up and let it run. I run some oil in it for 20 minutes and then change the engine oil and filter again. Just to make sure I get all of the assembly **** out. I dont know if it is good or bad for the car, but I do not like it. I have yet to have an oil pan leak. Not to say that it cant happen, but if you need your car to drive that day ( like most people ) I think you are fine to reinstall the pan and drive her away.

Mike
 

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I run some oil in it for 20 minutes and then change the engine oil and filter again. Just to make sure I get all of the assembly **** out. I dont know if it is good or bad for the car, but I do not like it.
I think you're fine to just leave the assembly **** in there. If anything it will fortify the oil hehe. If you don't like what you got then you can get a plastic tub of Redline assembly ****. It's got a good dose of moly in it which the motor internals will readily welcome for a 2000 mile visit.

Nothing wrong with the 20 mile oil change ritual either. That's the automotive equivalent of washing a glass until it's "Beer Clean". For folks that don't know what that means it means getting all trace of grease and soap/detergent off of the glass and keeping it off until use because even a slight trace can destroy the head of a good beer. What I do is wash extra well, getting my paw and some detergent in the glass and wiping every inch O' glass inside and out, rinse, rinse again, rinse, add a little vinegar as a sequestering agent to cut any trace detergent and also take out any hard water spotting, rinse, and then a couple final rinses inside and out with RO/DI water and then I let the glass dry naturally upside down. Yup, when beer comes over that glass gets some good head. :cheers:

Hmmm, good to hear no leaks on your cars when you've sealed up the pad and gone to town with the oil right off the bat. Ideally it's best to have the RTV cure on both sides. When exposed to oil it'll stay gummy on the inside even if it gets hard and rubbery on the outside but if it stays sealed over time then that's what really matters.
 

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Its an easy job even for first timers. Intmidating, but easy. Do it yourself for 100 bucks or less. 120k on mine when I took em out...did they need changing? Well not really after i saw them. Did it give me peace of mind? Hells yea.
 

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hey everyone. thanks for taking the time to give such helpful responses, i really appreciate it :thumb: .anyways, ive decided im gonna do the job myself and with the help of a friend. theres enough write ups in case i get in trouble. Question though for those who have done the job, did you use a plastigauge or whatever tool to check the clearance of the rods once there on?On the write ups ive read no one uses them
 

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Dr_Thompson said:
hey everyone. thanks for taking the time to give such helpful responses, i really appreciate it :thumb: .anyways, ive decided im gonna do the job myself and with the help of a friend. theres enough write ups in case i get in trouble. Question though for those who have done the job, did you use a plastigauge or whatever tool to check the clearance of the rods once there on?On the write ups ive read no one uses them


I do at least one rod in every job, only because I hate to assume that the packaging house that is supposed to put .25's in a .25 box, did just that. Happened to me once; it never will again.

Tom
 

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I do at least one rod in every job, only because I hate to assume that the packaging house that is supposed to put .25's in a .25 box, did just that. Happened to me once; it never will again.

Tom

same just spot check them I did 3 of them (the most wore bearing )


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MINE AFTER 107,000 MILES :eek:


DO YOUR ROD BEARINGS ASAP :salute:
 

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hey wheres a good place to get the specs for everything on the job.also wheres a good place to get all the parts i need?I could probably just get it all at advance auto. Any particular brand i should be getting?
 

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Off Road SHO said:
I do at least one rod in every job, only because I hate to assume that the packaging house that is supposed to put .25's in a .25 box, did just that. Happened to me once; it never will again.
Tom
Just remember to get standard, though since your doing a "used" motor. With nothing being turned down for a typical "rebuild" on the stand.
 
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