product info/interest x-drilled 96 and coil overs

[ManySHOs]

Brakes:
I emailed someone at powerstop or autospeciality to inquire about cross
drilled rotors in the 11.6" size (gen 3 brakes). I already knew that we had
a slotted option, but apparently they already make the 96 rotor in a cross
drilled application. Little did I know. I am waiting on part numbers. I will
post back here when I know. I think these will look good on the back of my
car.

2. I am trying to contact ground control to inquire about getting coil overs
made for the Gen1/2. If you Gen3 guys are interested, that is cool. I dunno
how that will have an effect on SARC. They don't seem to have an email addy,
but they do have a website and a phone number. http://www.ground-control.com/index.html

If anyone is interested, please contact them. As with any company, if we
express interest, they might be persuaded to create a set for us. I am going
to try and dig up some old struts for them to use. Their prices are VERY
reasonable. (a little less than $400 for a set).Ground Control is supposedly a very reputable company with thousands
of coil over setups made and being used for race to show and everything in
between.

FWIW, I understand that they did create coil overs for a Taurus wagon back
in the day. Supposedly the owner also supplied them with rear housings so
that they could make them for us. I have not been able to get them to answer
the phone, but I will mention it when I call back again.

thanks
Ian


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1993 Taurus SHO Royal Blue 5 speed
Not stock
15.041 @ 94.71 mph, 2.4 60'
14.8 @ 97 mph soon to come

 

[MeShoHorney]

The GC coilovers sound very interesting. I had them on my 77'Rabbit and they blew me away. GC is a great company that make very high quality poducts.
Coilovers for $400 bucks is a steal.

ManySHOs- are you organzing a purchase or do you want us to express interest in the manufacturing of the Coilovers?

BTW, you are about 2hrs from me you might be interested in this: http://www.shoforum.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/002209.html

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Jason

'91 Red |Pseudo + Edition|
Mods? Yeah, I got some! SHOracing.com

 

[1fastsho]

Originally posted by ManySHOs:

2. I am trying to contact ground control to inquire about getting coil overs
made for the Gen1/2. If you Gen3 guys are interested, that is cool. I dunno
how that will have an effect on SARC. They don't seem to have an email addy,
but they do have a website and a phone number. http://www.ground-control.com/index.html

If anyone is interested, please contact them. As with any company, if we
express interest, they might be persuaded to create a set for us. I am going
to try and dig up some old struts for them to use. Their prices are VERY
reasonable. (a little less than $400 for a set).Ground Control is supposedly a very reputable company with thousands
of coil over setups made and being used for race to show and everything in
between.

FWIW, I understand that they did create coil overs for a Taurus wagon back
in the day. Supposedly the owner also supplied them with rear housings so
that they could make them for us. I have not been able to get them to answer
the phone, but I will mention it when I call back again.

thanks
Ian


[/B]

I am going to be absolutley impartial in my reply and am not trying to be competitive. My partner and I did a lot of research on this topic.

for $500 you are not getting upper bearing plates.you are only getting threaded collars lower and upper spring perches and a spring(per each corner) and the piece to hold the threaded collar.

the OEM bearing plates are not designed to carry the weight if the car in the center of the upper mount, this is where it will be concentrated with coil overs. we consulted a suspension specialist that builds SCCA cars and exotics(this is where I get my car aligned $85 for a thougrough alignment)
our original plan was to keep the cost around $500 or less by using the factory bearing plates, the guy took one look at the OEM plates and mounts and said they were crap. the only real way to do it was Spherical bearing plates. and that is what we did. not only to insure safety but quality.this is why our kits are more than $500, plus you can adjust the camber with the new front plates.


Now I am not trying to rain on anyones parade or trying to sway anyone to buy my kit and not the ground control kit. just revealing what we found in our research. I could sell what I said above minus the plates for pretty cheap too but I wouldn't put any kind of warrantee on it. I have had one experience with ground control products and I was 50/50 with it. I liked some parts of the design and others not. it was on a 01 focus I am putting a 3.0L SVT motor into. the fronts looked great and the design for the back was cool but in the back there is no way to keep the spring in it's perch if both rear wheels come off the ground.(the lower control arms extend down lower than the assembly and spring is long, which won't happen on the road unless both wheels come completely off the ground)but if they do the spring can just fall right out. and if you use a longer spring the car won't lower like most people want it to with coil overs. will I use them again...not sure if I can come up with a fix for that then yes I will or make my own kit.

Once again I am not saying Ground control is crap because I do have people from time to time have me order stuff from them, and I am not swaying anyone's decision to buy from Ian or GC. and I am not advertising which is why I am not going to use my normal sig.

Shawn Pasley
92red/grey int
slightly modified ;o)

 

[MaxOwnJoo]

Ground control coilovers are NOT crap. I know many people with all types of cars that have them, and are VERY satisfied. I have a 97 Maxima and will be installing them on my car in the spring, with Ian's help

. For $399 they are VERY resonably priced, here is a pic http://www.eatricezone.com/images2/gc01.jpg Sure that does not include upper bearing plates....just get some new ones from the dealer.....$30-$50? I am sure that the ride quality with shawns plates are better. In my case with my car, and hundreds of other cars that GC has applications for, the OEM plates work very well, and I am sure that GC could produce a kit that will work with the SHO OEM plates. They have done it with so many other cars, I am positive they could do it for a Taurus, and the price would be less than $450...

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1997 Nissan Maxima
Best ET, [email protected], Englishtown, NJ

 

[SHO_POWER]

I am interested in Coilovers for that price, I am just surprised that a company the size of Ground Control doesn't have an E-mail address. Does this tell me something about the way Ground Control operates?

Greg

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'94 ATX

 

[1fastsho]

I don't think you understand what I am saying.I don't think GC is crap. I believe I said that in my post.I didn't like the focus design. that's it. What I am saying is that the OEM bearing plates regardless if new or used are NOT designed to sustain the weight of the car period.This is for the SHO application. Actually the ride is a bit harsher with my plates because they are solid and use a spherical bearing. other cars you can get away with that because the bearing plates and mounting plates are diffrerent.

Like I said people do what you want and I am not selling anything in this post. but yes you can put my coil overs in joe blow's race car and race them just as well as you can drive them on the street.

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Shawn Pasley
Innovative Performance Technologies
770-725-4631
www.iptech.tv
92 SHO red/grey
3.2L(bored) Lowered compression(9:1)
stageII cams, Ported/Polished heads,Ported/polished Intake manifold(runners, endtanks, and behind the throttle body), big bore butterflies,80mm maf, LPM,equal length Long Tube Headers and custom Y pipe, Dynomax cat-back, Koni/coil-over suspension, poly-bushings everywhere,26mm FRONT sway bar, 28mm REAR sway bar,rear strut tower brace, solid subframe bushings,subframe connectors, tubular aluminum adjustable rear control arms,shortened shifter,235/45/17 Toyo Proxes T1-S's on TSW VX-1's. 15 lbs of boost here I come!

 

[MeShoHorney]

Shawn- no intent on bashing your fine company but do you mean to say that upper bearing plates cost $500 each? I find that very hard to believe.
Please enlighten me here.

 

[SHOTIME]

Shawns coilovers are race quality.
The bearing and new plates are all important for a long lasting reliable product.

If you saw the quality of the product you would be impressed, I was. And also with the over all ride quality of the car. No harsher than eibachs and konis.

Im not interested in the strut tower breaking and cause major failures on my car in the future because of shoddy materials.

Go with the best or possibly pay the price.

 

[ThrillSHO]

I think Shawn put it very well. The stock bearing plate is designed to allow the spring to support the car directly from the towers. The plate itself is simply sandwiched between the two. With the use of coilovers (no matter who's you buy) the spring supports the car entirely from the upper plate. As pointed out earlier, the stock plate was simply not designed to support the car.

I have seen the results of using stock plates with coilovers (non-SHO application). It makes a **** of a mess of your hood when it fails.

 

[DeaconBlue]

PowerSlot slotted rotor p/n's;

'96-99 11.6" front rotors p/n's 8149 PSL & 8149 PSR
'93-99 10.1" rear rotors p/n's 8139 PSL & 8139 PSR

 

[ManySHOs]

DeaconBlue:
PowerSlot slotted rotor p/n's;

'96-99 11.6" front rotors p/n's 8149 PSL & 8149 PSR
'93-99 10.1" rear rotors p/n's 8139 PSL & 8139 PSR

But if you wanted to get really ****;
> Part No is AR8149L/R front, AR8139L/R rear, and are available directly
> from us. Please call toll free 1-888-428-7278 to order or talk to me if
> you need further info. Rotor diameter is 11.54"- John
>
> from PowerSlot..

or 11-37/64" or
11.578125" per a little birdie. wink

Ian

 

[1fastsho]

well lets see.

design the plates, have the protoype plates cut out and then sent to have the production plates laser cut. add in the hardware, 4 spherical teflon lined bearings(they ain't cheap) 2 rear aluminum spacers, the small spacers for the upper spring perch to the bearing plate and centering sleeves, and have the upper plates and bearing plates zinc chromated..oh yeah and I like to eat too and so does my other two partners, so add in just a little bit of profit.

I wasn't trying to be a smart a@@ in the last line

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[SHO_POWER]

I phoned Ground Control and they said that I am going to have to use the stock spring perches. What is involved in cutting these off my stock suspesion??

Shawn will the stock spring perches be able to hold the weight of the car ?? They will only drop the car 2.5" all around.

Greg