Out of time 1995 mtx 3.0

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I finally Got my car and tore it apart. This is what I found!!! It is out of time. One out of three ain’t bad right? Lol My question is what should I put in time first? Anybody got any suggestions on how I go about this? Don’t usually go this far into fixing a engine. I want to get it done right hopefully the first time. I am thinking start with the crankshaft and move up? Any advice is welcome about getting those marks to be where they are supposed to be. Thanks D0DB8C17 4370 41E9 872E DB4689A61F4732B1259F C5C3 4D11 850A 42B765F2C3C0
 

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You need to put all 3 in the right place and then slip on the belt. It really doesn't matter what order you rotate the 3 shafts, but the cam closest to the windshield will be the hardest to keep in place, so I would do that one last. I would also leave the crankshaft one tooth counterclockwise from the mark, because then it is much easier to install the belt in the correct location and when you tension the belt, the crank will move around to the proper location.
 

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This thread may help, are you doing the front 60K while you have everything apart

 

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This thread may help, are you doing the front 60K while you have everything apart

I was reading a chiltons manual. It was saying after u put the crankshaft at tdc you need to rotate it 60 degrees more. Anyone heard of this?

Which way does the cps get mounted? Flat side towards the engine?

I took off a vacuum hose and a electrical piece that is full of black rubber particles from the hose deteriorating. How detrimental is that to the engine being able to run? Can I just blow it out with a air hose and replace the hose?ImageImage
 

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you might want to read up and do some research on the front 60K, I have not used the chiltons manual, I usually use the Helm's manual, but here are links to the Sho Phoenix project and a link to a ton of information from itwonder


 

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This car has 120,000 miles do you think I should go ahead and do the crankshaft seal while I am already there? I’m not sure how often they need changing. I was seeing a lot of oil sprayed on that part of the engine and I figured it was that seal! What ya think?
you might want to read up and do some research on the front 60K, I have not used the chiltons manual, I usually use the Helm's manual, but here are links to the Sho Phoenix project and a link to a ton of information from itwonder


thank you zoom. I will read up on it later. I do not like chiltons manuals, if they have 4 different versions of a car why they didn’t make different sections for each. I like that Yamaha motor when it runs!! Lol
 

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The reason they are called 60K service, is you are supposed to do the service every 60K miles. However, people have gone longer than 60K if there are no issues and the lack of parts like a crank position sensor can last much longer than 60K. Do you know if the previous owner had the 60K done before you had the car? Looking at the water pump in the first picture, the top of it looks pretty clean as well as the cam seals. Can you see where the oil is leaking? Typically, if you are taking the engine apart that far, you want to replace crank seal, timing belt, cam seals, and water pump while you have it apart. But if the previous owner already did it, then you may not have to replace all those things. Maybe that is why the timing is off. Did it run ok when you first got it? If so, I am wondering if your woodruff key has failed. If you go through the front 60K procedure, there is a picture of the woodruff key.

 

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The reason they are called 60K service, is you are supposed to do the service every 60K miles. However, people have gone longer than 60K if there are no issues and the lack of parts like a crank position sensor can last much longer than 60K. Do you know if the previous owner had the 60K done before you had the car? Looking at the water pump in the first picture, the top of it looks pretty clean as well as the cam seals. Can you see where the oil is leaking? Typically, if you are taking the engine apart that far, you want to replace crank seal, timing belt, cam seals, and water pump while you have it apart. But if the previous owner already did it, then you may not have to replace all those things. Maybe that is why the timing is off. Did it run ok when you first got it? If so, I am wondering if your woodruff key has failed. If you go through the front 60K procedure, there is a picture of the woodruff key.

The owner I got it from was a 18 year old kid. When I bought it had no power no acceleration but started and ran just fine. Seemed like it just needed a good tune up. At that time I didn’t know about the 60k tuneup. I think him and his buddy’s tried fixing something any work that was done was shady. I have done the 60k tuneup got it back together and nothing no fire just cranking. Someone has f***** something up and now I have to find out what it is. Fun fun I appreciate the help from you guys here a lot of help. Thanks
 

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You need to put all 3 in the right place and then slip on the belt. It really doesn't matter what order you rotate the 3 shafts, but the cam closest to the windshield will be the hardest to keep in place, so I would do that one last. I would also leave the crankshaft one tooth counterclockwise from the mark, because then it is much easier to install the belt in the correct location and when you tension the belt, the crank will move around to the proper location.
There are marks on the belt. If your belt doesn't have the marks buy a new one, it should. Note there are crank marks for 3.0 and 3.2 so make sure you use the correct marks.
 
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