No spark! Good fuel pressure. What do I do now???

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GTO1970

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I have a 92 MT SHO that was given to me it has been sitting for about 6months. It was beleived that the fuel pump went out, but the pump checks out ok. I has no spark. How can I find the problem with the no spark without just starting to change parts out? The parts are expensive I would like to be able to trouoble shoot it better but I am not sure how to go. ?? Ignition module? EECIV? Crank sensor? Cam sensor? coil? Please any info would be great.
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Jason
 

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GTO1970 said:
I have a 92 MT SHO that was given to me it has been sitting for about 6months. It was beleived that the fuel pump went out, but the pump checks out ok. I has no spark. How can I find the problem with the no spark without just starting to change parts out? The parts are expensive I would like to be able to trouoble shoot it better but I am not sure how to go. ?? Ignition module? EECIV? Crank sensor? Cam sensor? coil? Please any info would be great.
Thanks
Jason

Check you codes. Do a search on this feature. That is the best place to start. If the tach moves when you start cranking, I would suspect CPS.
 

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Jason,

Welcome to the SHO Forum. I hope that we can help you get your car in the condition that you would prefer.

With the distributorless ignition system (DIS) and sequential port fuel injection that the SHO engine utilizes, there are electronic sensors to inform the electronic engine control (EEC) computer of the physical position of the crankshaft (crankshaft position sensor, a.k.a. CPS or CKP) and camshaft (camshaft position sensor, a.k.a. cylinder identification sensor, a.k.a. CID CMP sensor) to synchronize the spark and port fuel injection events.

You can use the key on, engine off (KOEO) test to have the EEC test the sensors and retrieve any failure codes from memory. This test only requires a short jumper wire and the ignition key. Learn this simple procedure with the link in my signature to gather a great amount of self diagnostic information from your car's computer. Any time the CHECK ENGNIE light illuminates on the dash during operation, there is a code stored in the EEC memory.

Regarding the problem you are experiencing, a failure of the CID sensor would not prevent the engine from starting, but does create the potential for "ugly" starts where the EEC "guesses" when the number one cylinder reaches top dead center (TDC). During these starting attempts, the engine may backfire or just stop turning against the pressure in the cylinder. This sensor inform's the EEC when the number one cylinder is at TDC to synchronize the injectors and ignition system. This sensor's failure will be indicated by a 214 code in the memory portion of the KOEO test.

It sounds more like your car may have a CPS, or crankshaft position sensor failure. When this sensor fails to provide a signal to the EEC, the computer has no information that the engine is actually rotating and will therefore make no spark or fuel injector pulses. When this sensor fails the engine will either cut out as if you turned off the ignition key or will fail to start. This sensor's failure will be indicated by a 211 code in the memory portion of the KOEO test.

There can be other failures in the engine control system that can create a no-start condition, but if you have confirmed fuel pump operation and pressure at the fuel rails and have confirmed that there is no spark, thisn is a good place to start.

You can visit autozone.com in the repair guide section to get the procedures for most services on the SHO. You can also find the CPS for about $58 in their catalog. The effort to install it makes that $58 look even smaller. Let us know if you check the codes and what the results of the test are. We will be ready to provide assistance.

Good luck and welcome.
 

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Follow SDPatt's advice and learn how to get any fault codes out of the computer. Keep in mind that a fault code does NOT necessarily mean that the sensor has failed. A fault code is stored when the computer does not get the signal it is programmed to expect from a given sensor (usually volts or ohms resistance). The fault could be caused by a poor connection at the sensor, a shorted or open wire between the computer and the sensor, and/or a poor connection between the sensor and the comnputer.

That having been said, do a search regarding "testing the DIS" (Distributoless Ignition System). I have posted these tests numerous times and the posts should be easy to find under my signature.

The test are relatively simple and involve using a Digital Multi-Meter and a LED light probe. DO NOT test the system with an analog (swing needle) type multi meter, and DO NOT probe the system with an incandescent light type probe. The test include testing the crank position sensor, the cylinder identification sensor, coils etc. rangerj
 

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