LMS 93 octane 3 bar—Holy crap!!!

[Aaron Marty]

You have an extended powertrain warranty? I am not a warranty guy but these cars are an exception due to design weaknesses

So when I bought the car it had 40k miles on it so it was still covered through Ford's power train. I also bought a after market extended warranty. When I had the seals in the ptu replaced the first time it was covered under Ford power train. The second time the seals where replaced it was two weeks ago an covered by the after market warranty. Now the car is currently in the shop as we speak because I noticed more smell then looked and noticed more oil leaking down the ptu. So the stealership calls today to tell me they are gonna replace the whole ptu. Which is also covered by the after market warranty. Buttttt....they have to send out a warranty adjuster to assess the damage/issue because it's such a large repair bill. Never in my life have a had this many problems with a car with so little mileage, it blows my mind really. I've did my research on these cars and the ptu is a HUGE issue with them. I read that the police have massive ptu issues and failures along with regular ppl like me and you folks. You know the folks that don't have a unlimited Budget. This is disgraceful on Ford's part.

 

[luigisho]

Yeah. That's why I would buy a Ford extended plan warranty. At least Ford knows these things are prone to failure.

Wait until the next generation comes along and thinks these things are an affordable older performance car and all the new PTU replacements have been sucked out of the supply chain when they have to replace theirs.

 

[Aaron Marty]

Yeah. That's why I would buy a Ford extended plan warranty. At least Ford knows these things are prone to failure.

Wait until the next generation comes along and thinks these things are an affordable older performance car and all the new PTU replacements have been sucked out of the supply chain when they have to replace theirs.

Yea because I'm assuming they are putting the same trash back into the car that was originally in there. No redesign or engineering. So what am I supposed to do give it another 40-60k miles to another ptu failure. Its really disgusting, I'm a big domestic guy but I thinking this will be my last Ford. Not only is it unreliable but the way Ford has handled or should I say NOT handled the issue that speaks louder. I mean I get it car/trucks are gonna have issues but it's the way the auto maker handle's said issues that either make it acceptable or not. And clearly this isn't acceptable. There should have been a massive recall, an every single person with this garbage ptu should have had a redesigned unit put in place free of charge.

 

[krewat]

I would imagine that someone will have come up with a heavier-duty PTU by that time.

What does the Explorer have?

And BTW, don't use a dealer's "repair" record as an indication of how bad the PTU design is. Replacing the seals twice is pretty bad.

 

[Aaron Marty]

I would imagine that someone will have come up with a heavier-duty PTU by that time.

What does the Explorer have?

And BTW, don't use a dealer's "repair" record as an indication of how bad the PTU design is. Replacing the seals twice is pretty bad.

No I base it on all the research I have done an all the issues ppl have had with the unit. Especially the police.

 

[MHW100]

Yea because I'm assuming they are putting the same trash back into the car that was originally in there. No redesign or engineering. So what am I supposed to do give it another 40-60k miles to another ptu failure. Its really disgusting, I'm a big domestic guy but I thinking this will be my last Ford. Not only is it unreliable but the way Ford has handled or should I say NOT handled the issue that speaks louder. I mean I get it car/trucks are gonna have issues but it's the way the auto maker handle's said issues that either make it acceptable or not. And clearly this isn't acceptable. There should have been a massive recall, an every single person with this garbage ptu should have had a redesigned unit put in place free of charge.

My understanding from the local Ford service manager was that it has had several revisions. I believe the last in 2016 which has slowed the failure rate in later models.

 

[krewat]

My understanding from the local Ford service manager was that it has had several revisions. I believe the last in 2016 which has slowed the failure rate in later models.

That's what I've heard too...

 

[Aaron Marty]

Well unfortunately revision now doesn't help 90% of us now.

 

[MHW100]

Well unfortunately revision now doesn't help 90% of us now.

My thought was if the part was compatible they could install the newer unit now that it's being replaced

 

[Aaron Marty]

My thought was if the part was compatible they could install the newer unit now that it's being replaced

Nah Ford will push you to buy a new SHO instead of replacement of the unit.

 

[bpd1151]

Nah Ford will push you to buy a new SHO instead of replacement of the unit.

Well they won't be able to push that much longer.

March of 2019 will see the Taurus production stopped entirely.

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[Aaron Marty]

Time to go Tesla.

 

[SHOdded]

Tesla is the electric version of the Exploder LOL. Quality control is pretty poor for such an expensive car.

Thankfully the PTU is just gears, no clutches. Shouldnt be hard to redesign to an HD version, frankly. Ford is likely building to a price point, and causing the effort to fail monstrously. Just like there came into existence the HD gear set for the gen 1/2 manual trans, with people willing to invest in a group buy, I dont see why a better PTU could not be easily created. And with a vent extension too. For the people, by the people, of the people.

Anyhoo, simply having a drain plug and a routine maintenance interval with quality **** is important, cooled or not. This is one way to overcome the flaws in the design. All I am going to say, follow bpd's example. Don't wait for parts to fail. Take responsibility from day 1. Show that you understand you bought a performance car. Don't just demand, get your hands dirty.

 

[krewat]

Take responsibility from day 1. Show that you understand you bought a performance car. Don't just demand, get your hands dirty.

Very true. Kinda like the spark plug "ejection" issue of the Ford modulars (see my avatar). Do your homework, do it or get it done right, and keep doing it for the life of the vehicle. You have a very special thing. Learn it's idiosyncrasies, and deal with it.

No one on ford-trucks.com that knew the modulars had the spark plug issue, and took care if it before anything happened, ever had a problem. Yeah, it sucks to have to deal with it. And for the first few years, people really had a hard time with it.

 

[Aaron Marty]

Tesla is the electric version of the Exploder LOL. Quality control is pretty poor for such an expensive car.

Thankfully the PTU is just gears, no clutches. Shouldnt be hard to redesign to an HD version, frankly. Ford is likely building to a price point, and causing the effort to fail monstrously. Just like there came into existence the HD gear set for the gen 1/2 manual trans, with people willing to invest in a group buy, I dont see why a better PTU could not be easily created. And with a vent extension too. For the people, by the people, of the people.

Anyhoo, simply having a drain plug and a routine maintenance interval with quality **** is important, cooled or not. This is one way to overcome the flaws in the design. All I am going to say, follow bpd's example. Don't wait for parts to fail. Take responsibility from day 1. Show that you understand you bought a performance car. Don't just demand, get your hands dirty.

So I definitely did get my hands dirty I actually have a video on YouTube on how to drain and fill the ptu. But as this convos started it's hard to keep the ptu topped off when it's leaking. I am very proactive I had Ford replace ptu seals it leaked again after had them do it again it leaked again. Now it's getting a all new ptu. It's garbage. 65k miles. An believe me I have owned performance cars "2009 cts-v 600whp" "2000 ws6 transam 500whp" and havnt had nearly NEARLY the issues. If it isn't the ptu it is the shit load of oil blow by covering all the sensors filling the CAC and caking up my pistons. I got a catch can now an it's amazing how fast it fills up. Oh an my blower motor has went out on the car and the backup camera doesn't work any more. I've had a shuttering problem ever since I had the car between 60-70 mph. Taken it to 3 different Ford dealership and a transmission spot no one has any idea why it shuttering.

 

[SHOdded]

Neither of those cars were awd or 4wd. Unfortunately, such systems have pitfalls esp in a FWD packaging. Ford has at least made an attempt to improve the situation on the Edge, giving the Sport and ST 24+ oz of ptu fluid to work with, along with drain plugs. Hardly ever hear of the RDU failing coz less heat more fluid, and less worked.

As to the incompetence of specific dealers, ya it happens over and over again. Not necessarily Ford's fault. Some fixes you only learn on enthusiast forums. Such as whether u need to overfill fluid just a tad, or whether the TC is getting ready to go. Information is out there. Yes, definitely shortcomings with Ford and their dealer network, but again, many fixes have already been implemented and documented by fellow owners

 

[Billy VK]

So I definitely did get my hands dirty I actually have a video on YouTube on how to drain and fill the ptu. But as this convos started it's hard to keep the ptu topped off when it's leaking. I am very proactive I had Ford replace ptu seals it leaked again after had them do it again it leaked again. Now it's getting a all new ptu. It's garbage. 65k miles. An believe me I have owned performance cars "2009 cts-v 600whp" "2000 ws6 transam 500whp" and havnt had nearly NEARLY the issues. If it isn't the ptu it is the shit load of oil blow by covering all the sensors filling the CAC and caking up my pistons. I got a catch can now an it's amazing how fast it fills up. Oh an my blower motor has went out on the car and the backup camera doesn't work any more. I've had a shuttering problem ever since I had the car between 60-70 mph. Taken it to 3 different Ford dealership and a transmission spot no one has any idea why it shuttering.

I have that same shuttering issue at those speeds. Road force balancing has done little to make any difference so it isn't in the wheels. The dealer says the same thing... "no trouble found." Imagine that.

 

[Aaron Marty]

I have that same shuttering issue at those speeds. Road force balancing has done little to make any difference so it isn't in the wheels. The dealer says the same thing... "no trouble found." Imagine that.

Right dude. I've done everything to try and solve the issue. And nothing works. New tires rims. New coil packs. New plugs. Drained the CAC. Check for chaffing knock sensor. Checked for boost leaks with a smoke machine. Used high tech scanner to monitor. Changed evap canister. Put catch can. Using stock air box. Changing tunes. using octane booster. Using fuel treatment. changing / cleaning oxygen sensor and map sensors. NOTHING WORKS.

 

[Billy VK]

Right dude. I've done everything to try and solve the issue. And nothing works. New tires rims. New coil packs. New plugs. Drained the CAC. Check for chaffing knock sensor. Checked for boost leaks with a smoke machine. Used high tech scanner to monitor. Changed evap canister. Put catch can. Using stock air box. Changing tunes. using octane booster. Using fuel treatment. changing / cleaning oxygen sensor and map sensors. NOTHING WORKS.

LOL!! yeah, you went through it all I think.

 

[Aaron Marty]

LOL!! yeah, you went through it all I think.

You ain't lying brother.